Gregg Braden on Human Cycles: Merging Science and Spirituality

Hello, everyone. Today, we’re diving deep into one of the most powerful and transformative discussions of our time. We’ve brought together some of the most brilliant minds and visionaries, all here to explore how ancient cycles, human evolution, and consciousness shape our world—and more importantly, our future.

Joining us is the one and only Gregg Braden, who’s made it his life’s work to uncover the deep truths about human evolution, ancient cycles, and the consciousness that connects us all. We also have the remarkable Rupert Sheldrake, who will be sharing his groundbreaking insights into morphic resonance and the unseen forces shaping our biology and collective memory. Daniel Schmachtenberger is here too, a thought leader in complex systems and societal adaptation, with powerful ideas on how we can respond to today’s global crises. And finally, Ervin Laszlo, a true pioneer in the study of quantum consciousness and holistic systems, offering us a path forward through interconnectedness and spiritual evolution.

This is an imaginary conversation about more than just survival—it’s about awakening, transformation, and thriving in a world undergoing monumental shifts. So, let’s dive in!

The Ancient Battle Between Good and Evil and Its Relevance Today

Nick Sasaki (Moderator):
Thank you all for joining us in this crucial conversation. Today, we're diving into the concept of an ancient spiritual battle between good and evil, described in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and its relevance in our modern world. Gregg, let’s start with you. Could you elaborate on how this ancient struggle continues to manifest today?

Gregg Braden:
Thanks, Nick. When we talk about the ancient battle between the Sons of Light and the Sons of Darkness in the War Scroll, we aren’t just discussing physical conflict; we’re looking at a psychological and spiritual war that’s being waged in the hearts and minds of humanity. This isn’t about good versus evil in a simplistic sense—it’s a multidimensional conflict affecting our consciousness, our society, and even our biology. Today, that battle is reflected in the mass confusion, disconnection, and manipulation we see everywhere. What we’re witnessing is the culmination of thousands of years of this deeper struggle.

Nick Sasaki:
David, you’ve often talked about global control systems and manipulation. How do you see this battle playing out in today’s world?

David Icke:
Gregg is absolutely right. This battle is as much about perception and control as it is about physical events. What we’re seeing now is a deliberate effort by what I call the "global elite" to control the human mind and disconnect us from our true spiritual potential. They do this through fear, division, and misinformation—just like in ancient times when those in power sought to divide and conquer. The ‘Sons of Darkness,’ as Gregg describes them, are today’s power structures, working to keep humanity in a state of ignorance and fear. Their goal is to suppress the light—the divine spark within all of us.

Nick Sasaki:
Graham, you’ve spent decades researching lost civilizations and their spiritual knowledge. How does this ancient battle between light and darkness connect with the hidden history of human consciousness that you’ve explored?

Graham Hancock:
Thanks, Nick. I believe this struggle is not just spiritual, but also deeply tied to the cycles of human history. Ancient civilizations like the Egyptians, the Sumerians, and others were well aware of this cosmic battle. They encoded this knowledge in their myths, their monuments, and their spiritual practices. These ancient cultures understood that there’s a war for the human soul—one that’s played out over and over again as civilizations rise and fall. The battle between light and darkness is a metaphor for the struggle between higher consciousness and ignorance. And we’re living through one of those pivotal moments right now, where the choices we make will determine whether we enter a new age of enlightenment or descend into chaos.

Nick Sasaki:
Richard, you’ve written extensively about the archetypal patterns that shape human experience. How does this ancient battle align with the archetypes you’ve studied?

Dr. Richard Tarnas:
Absolutely, Nick. What we’re discussing here touches on the deep archetypal structures that have guided human history. The battle between light and darkness, or good and evil, can be understood as the clash between archetypal forces—forces that are universal and timeless. This is not just a historical or cultural issue; it’s embedded in the human psyche. The ‘Sons of Light’ and ‘Sons of Darkness’ represent the eternal struggle between higher and lower consciousness, between integration and fragmentation, between love and fear. In our time, this is expressed through the massive polarization we’re seeing—culturally, politically, and even within individuals. It’s an archetypal drama that we are collectively living through, and how we respond to it will shape the future of humanity.

Nick Sasaki:
Fascinating insights from all of you. Gregg, hearing what everyone has shared, how do you believe humanity can begin to overcome this battle? Is there hope to shift the tide?

Gregg Braden:
There is always hope, Nick. I think the key lies in reconnecting to our divinity and recognizing the power of our own consciousness. The Sons of Light win the final battle in the War Scroll not through violence or force, but through divine intervention and by accessing their higher nature. Today, that means we need to transcend the fear, misinformation, and division that we’re subjected to daily. It’s about personal empowerment—reclaiming our connection to the field of consciousness that links us all and using that to rise above the illusions that are being projected onto us.

Divinity and Human Potential

Nick Sasaki (Moderator):
Welcome, everyone. Today, we’re exploring divinity and human potential—two concepts that, when understood, can transform how we see ourselves and the world around us. Gregg, let’s start with you. How do you define divinity in the context of human potential, and what does it mean to transcend perceived limitations?

Gregg Braden:
Thanks, Nick. I believe that divinity is intrinsic to each of us—it’s our natural state of being. It’s not something external or separate; rather, it’s the deep connection we have with the field of consciousness that permeates everything. Divinity is the ability to transcend perceived human limitations—what we think we’re capable of—and tap into a much higher potential. The key word here is "perceived" because many of the limitations we experience are programmed into us by society, education, and even our own belief systems. The more we can step into our divine nature, the more we can break free from those limitations and access our true power.

Nick Sasaki:
Deepak, you’ve long spoken about the relationship between consciousness and the divine. How do you see divinity playing a role in human potential?

Deepak Chopra:
Divinity is at the core of all human experience, Nick. It’s the essence of our consciousness. When we understand that we are not just biological entities but expressions of a universal consciousness, we begin to unlock our potential. Divinity is often seen as something mystical, but it’s actually very practical. It’s about aligning with the deeper truth of who we are. As Gregg mentioned, many of our limitations are imposed by societal conditioning. But when we tap into our divine nature, we realize that we are capable of much more than we’ve been led to believe—creatively, emotionally, and even physically. The human body, mind, and spirit are designed to express this infinite potential.

Nick Sasaki:
Joe, you’ve done incredible work helping people unlock their potential through meditative practices and brain science. How does connecting to divinity fit into this process of expanding human potential?

Dr. Joe Dispenza:
Great question, Nick. I completely agree with both Gregg and Deepak. When we talk about divinity in the context of human potential, we’re really discussing how we can transcend the limitations of the mind and body. Through meditation and specific practices, we can change our brain chemistry, our biology, and ultimately our energy to access higher states of consciousness. When people connect to the divine, what they’re really doing is stepping beyond their conditioned selves—the identities they’ve formed based on past experiences—and into a state of limitless possibility. This is where transformation happens, not just spiritually but also on a biological level. When people access this divine state, they heal faster, they create more effortlessly, and they experience deeper levels of joy and connection.

Nick Sasaki:
Caroline, you’ve spoken about the power of human divinity in healing and spiritual growth. How does recognizing our divine nature help us overcome the challenges we face in life?

Caroline Myss:
Thank you, Nick. Divinity is where all healing begins, whether it’s physical, emotional, or spiritual. When we remember that we are more than our wounds, more than our traumas, and more than our fears, we step into the truth of our divine nature. This doesn’t mean that life’s challenges disappear, but it means we have access to a power greater than ourselves to move through them. I often say that healing requires a shift in perception—recognizing that we are not the victims of our circumstances but the co-creators of our reality. When we tap into divinity, we’re able to see life from a higher perspective, one where our potential is unlimited. It’s a profound inner shift that changes everything.

Nick Sasaki:
That’s beautifully said. Gregg, hearing this, how do you think people can begin to practically tap into their divinity to transcend the limitations they experience in everyday life?

Gregg Braden:
It starts with awareness, Nick. People need to recognize that many of their limitations aren’t inherent—they’ve been programmed by societal norms, past experiences, and self-doubt. Practices like meditation, breathwork, and mindfulness are practical tools that help us access the field of consciousness where our divinity resides. When we quiet the mind and connect with the heart, we begin to access deeper levels of intuition and creativity. And as Joe said, this isn’t just spiritual; it’s biological. When we shift our mindset and energy, it has a profound effect on our bodies, our health, and the world around us. The more we practice this, the more we expand our potential.

Nick Sasaki:
Deepak, from your perspective, what’s the next step for humanity in collectively recognizing its divinity and potential?

Deepak Chopra:
I think humanity is at a tipping point, Nick. We’re moving toward a collective awakening. More and more people are realizing that the old paradigms of fear, division, and limitation no longer serve us. The next step is for people to come together in recognition of our shared divinity, which means transcending the illusion of separation. When we understand that we are all connected—part of a single field of consciousness—we stop seeing each other as competitors or enemies and start working together to create a more harmonious world. This is where our collective potential lies: in unity and love.

The Human Body as a Biological Conduit for Divine Information

Nick Sasaki (Moderator):
Thank you all for being here. Today, we’re discussing how the human body is not just a biological system but also a conduit for divine information. Gregg, you often describe the body as a kind of biological antenna that tunes into a field of consciousness. Could you expand on that idea for us?

Gregg Braden:
Thanks, Nick. Yes, I like to think of the body as a highly sophisticated biological resonator. Every cell in our body, especially our DNA, acts as a kind of fractal antenna. This means that we are constantly in communication with a field of information that exists beyond our physical senses. This field, sometimes called the “divine matrix” or the Akashic field, holds the information of everything that has ever existed. Our bodies tune into this field, receiving information that influences our creativity, healing, and even our intuition. The quality of our health and the choices we make affect how well we can access this information.

Nick Sasaki:
Bruce, you’ve done groundbreaking work on how our biology is influenced by belief. How do you see this connection between the body and the field of divine information Gregg mentioned?

Bruce Lipton:
Absolutely, Nick. What Gregg is describing fits perfectly with what I've found in my research. Our cells are not just physical entities; they are information processors, constantly receiving signals from our environment, including the energetic field that surrounds us. The biology of belief shows us that the environment, including our thoughts and emotions, directly influences our genes. This means our perception of the world—our beliefs—has a profound impact on how we interact with the field of consciousness. If we see ourselves as limited, disconnected beings, we literally shut down the receptors in our cells that allow us to access higher information. But when we shift our mindset and embrace our connection to the divine, we unlock our full biological potential, allowing us to resonate with higher frequencies of information.

Nick Sasaki:
That’s fascinating. Zach, you’ve spoken extensively about how our microbiome and environment influence human health. How does this biological connection to the environment relate to our ability to access divine information?

Dr. Zach Bush:
Thanks, Nick. I think what both Gregg and Bruce have pointed out is something that’s been missing from mainstream science for a long time. We’ve forgotten that the body is not just isolated from its environment; it's deeply integrated with it. The human microbiome—those trillions of microorganisms living in and on us—plays a critical role in this integration. It acts as a bridge between the external world and our internal systems. Our microbiome communicates with our immune system, brain, and every organ, making it a key player in how we process information, not just physically but energetically. When we are in harmony with nature, eating natural foods and living in clean environments, our biology aligns with the rhythms of the planet. This alignment strengthens our ability to access the divine field of information that Gregg talks about. It’s about creating coherence between our internal biology and the external energetic environment.

Nick Sasaki:
Sadhguru, you often speak about how the body and mind can be trained to align with the greater cosmos. How do practices like yoga and meditation help us tap into this divine information that’s all around us?

Sadhguru:
Namaskaram, Nick. The body is indeed a powerful instrument, but most people are not aware of its true potential. It’s not just flesh and bones; it is a device for perception. Through practices like yoga and meditation, we are not trying to strengthen the body or the mind for physical survival alone—we are refining them so that they become more sensitive to the larger existence. Yoga means union; it is the science of aligning the individual with the cosmic. When we say divine information, it’s not something that needs to be found outside. Everything that the cosmos holds is already within us. The practices of yoga, breathwork, and meditation help clear the static in the mind and body, allowing us to perceive this deeper reality. The body itself becomes a doorway to the universe, a tool through which the cosmic intelligence can flow freely.

Nick Sasaki:
That’s a powerful point, Sadhguru. Gregg, how do you see the connection between these ancient practices, like yoga, and the scientific discoveries we’re making today about the body as a conduit for information?

Gregg Braden:
I think it's amazing how ancient wisdom and modern science are coming to the same conclusions, just through different lenses. Practices like yoga and meditation have been teaching us for thousands of years that the body is more than just a biological machine—it’s a finely tuned instrument for interacting with the universe. Science is now catching up, showing us that our cells, especially our DNA, respond to external stimuli in ways that go beyond chemistry and physics. These practices quiet the noise of daily life and clear the channels for this divine information to flow. What’s important is that these aren’t separate worlds—spirituality and science are two sides of the same coin. They both point to the fact that we are deeply connected to something much larger than ourselves.

Nick Sasaki:
Bruce, Gregg mentions this integration of ancient practices with modern science. How do you think we can use this knowledge to empower people in their everyday lives, especially when it comes to their health and well-being?

Bruce Lipton:
It’s all about empowerment through awareness, Nick. When people understand that they are not victims of their genes or their circumstances but can actually influence their biology through thoughts, beliefs, and lifestyle choices, it opens up a whole new realm of possibilities. Practices like yoga and meditation are perfect examples because they help people shift their focus inward, align their body and mind, and change the signals they send to their cells. This not only improves their physical health but also connects them to higher consciousness. The more we can educate people about the body’s potential as a conduit for divine information, the more empowered they will be to take control of their own health and well-being.

Nick Sasaki:
Zach, you’ve spoken about the importance of reconnecting with nature for health. How do you see that playing into this conversation about divine information?

Dr. Zach Bush:
We’ve become so disconnected from nature that we’ve lost touch with one of our greatest sources of health and insight. Our ancestors understood that nature is not separate from us—it’s a vital part of our biology and spiritual awareness. When we engage with nature, whether through the foods we eat, the air we breathe, or even walking barefoot on the earth, we recalibrate our bodies to the rhythms of the planet. This reconnection enhances our ability to perceive and process the divine information that’s always present in the natural world. Nature itself is a reflection of the divine, and the more we engage with it, the more aligned we become with the higher consciousness that Gregg, Bruce, and Sadhguru are speaking about.

Nick Sasaki:
Sadhguru, you’ve spoken before about the importance of living in harmony with the earth. What’s your perspective on how reconnecting with nature can open us up to divine information?

Sadhguru:
The earth is not separate from us; it is the source of our body. We are made of the same elements as the earth, and living in harmony with these elements naturally aligns us with the divine. Nature is not just a resource; it is a teacher. When we sit silently in nature, we can feel the pulse of the universe, and through that, we begin to perceive the vast intelligence that governs life. Unfortunately, many people have distanced themselves from nature, but this is why we feel restless and disconnected. When we return to nature—not just physically but also mentally and spiritually—we tune ourselves back to the frequency of life, where divine information flows effortlessly. This is the essence of what Gregg and the others are saying. Life is not something we need to figure out; it is something we need to tune into.

Misinformation, Perception, and Psychological Warfare

Nick Sasaki (Moderator):
Welcome, everyone. Today, we’re diving into a timely and crucial topic—how misinformation, media manipulation, and psychological warfare are shaping our perceptions and dividing society. Gregg, you’ve spoken about how this battle over perception is part of a deeper conflict between light and darkness. Can you set the stage for us by explaining how you see this playing out in modern times?

Gregg Braden:
Thanks, Nick. What we’re witnessing today is nothing short of a modern psychological war, a fifth-generation warfare, where the battle is no longer fought with weapons on a traditional battlefield but in the minds and hearts of people. This is a war of perception, where misinformation and disinformation are tools used to control the narrative, divide societies, and weaken the social bonds that hold us together. The purpose behind this is not just political control but something much deeper—it's about disconnecting people from their power, their divinity, and their ability to discern truth from illusion. We’re seeing this in the media, in politics, and even in science. The overwhelming amount of information, much of it contradictory or false, makes it harder for people to know what to trust, leading to division and confusion.

Nick Sasaki:
Naomi, you’ve written extensively about media manipulation and the ways in which corporations and governments shape public perception. How do you see this dynamic unfolding today, particularly in the context of psychological warfare?

Naomi Klein:
I think what Gregg is describing is spot on. We’re living in a time where powerful interests—whether they’re governments, corporations, or other actors—are using misinformation as a deliberate strategy to sow confusion and division. This isn’t just about controlling a political narrative; it’s about creating a sense of instability that makes people more vulnerable to manipulation. We saw this clearly in the 2016 U.S. elections, where misinformation was weaponized to create cultural and political divides. But it’s broader than that. We’re also seeing it in the climate debate, in how corporate interests suppress information that threatens their profits. When people are bombarded with conflicting messages, they lose trust in institutions, in the media, and even in each other. That mistrust is exactly what allows those in power to continue operating without accountability.

Nick Sasaki:
Noam, you’ve long studied how media serves to manufacture consent among the public. How does this concept fit into the current landscape of misinformation and psychological warfare?

Noam Chomsky:
What we’re seeing today is an extension of what’s been happening for decades, but with much more sophisticated tools. The media has always played a key role in shaping public perception, largely serving the interests of elite power structures. The concept of "manufacturing consent" is about how media frames narratives to align public opinion with the interests of those in power. Now, with the rise of digital platforms and social media, this has reached new heights. Algorithms dictate what people see, creating echo chambers where misinformation thrives. In this context, psychological warfare becomes much more insidious because it isn’t just about pushing a single narrative. It’s about creating chaos, uncertainty, and division, which keeps the public distracted and disengaged from real power structures. The more fragmented society becomes, the easier it is for elites to maintain control.

Nick Sasaki:
Shoshana, your work on surveillance capitalism highlights how tech companies use data and algorithms to influence behavior. How does this fit into the broader discussion on psychological warfare and media manipulation?

Shoshana Zuboff:
What’s critical to understand is that today’s psychological warfare is deeply intertwined with the economic model of surveillance capitalism. The major tech platforms collect vast amounts of personal data, which they then use to predict and shape human behavior. This data is sold to advertisers, political campaigns, and governments, giving them unprecedented power to manipulate not just what we see, but how we think and behave. This isn’t just about targeted ads or news stories—it’s about creating entire ecosystems of influence that work beneath the surface of our consciousness. The algorithms are designed to keep us engaged, which often means feeding us content that elicits strong emotional reactions—fear, anger, outrage. This is why misinformation spreads so easily on these platforms. It’s profitable. But more than that, it serves as a form of psychological manipulation that weakens society’s ability to come together and address the real issues.

Nick Sasaki:
Gregg, hearing from Naomi, Noam, and Shoshana, how do you think we can start to push back against this onslaught of misinformation and psychological manipulation?

Gregg Braden:
It starts with awareness. Once we recognize that our perceptions are being manipulated, we can begin to reclaim our power. We need to be conscious consumers of information, questioning the narratives that are fed to us and seeking out alternative sources of truth. But more importantly, it’s about reconnecting with our own intuition and inner guidance. As I’ve mentioned before, when we disconnect from our inner compass—our heart, our sense of knowing—we become more susceptible to external influences. Practices like mindfulness, meditation, and simply spending time in nature help us clear the noise and reconnect with that deeper wisdom. It’s not just about fighting misinformation externally; it’s about strengthening ourselves internally so that we can discern truth from illusion.

Nick Sasaki:
Naomi, you’ve talked about activism as a way to combat these issues. What role do you think activism and community engagement play in resisting this manipulation?

Naomi Klein:
Activism is crucial. We need to create spaces where people can come together, share information, and organize around common goals. One of the most effective ways to combat misinformation is through collective action. When people are engaged in real, on-the-ground work—whether it’s environmental activism, social justice, or political reform—they build trust and resilience within their communities. This is important because misinformation thrives in isolation. When people feel disconnected from each other, they’re more likely to fall for manipulative narratives. By fostering strong, informed communities, we can push back against the divisive tactics being used against us.

Nick Sasaki:
Noam, how do you think individuals can take back control over their perceptions in an age where media and algorithms dominate so much of the discourse?

Noam Chomsky:
It’s difficult, but not impossible. First, people need to understand how these systems work—how media operates, how algorithms influence what they see, and how their data is being used. Education is key. People need to learn to critically analyze the information they’re exposed to. But more than that, we need to support independent media and alternative platforms that aren’t beholden to corporate or political interests. These are the spaces where more truthful, balanced information can be shared. Finally, individuals need to be active participants in democracy. It’s not enough to passively consume information; we need to engage with the world, question power, and hold institutions accountable.

Nick Sasaki:
Shoshana, what do you think is the most urgent action individuals or societies can take to safeguard against this kind of surveillance-based manipulation?

Shoshana Zuboff:
One of the most urgent actions is to push for stronger regulations on how data is collected and used. The surveillance economy is built on the exploitation of personal data, and until we put limits on how tech companies can harvest and sell that data, we will remain vulnerable to manipulation. This isn’t just a matter of personal privacy; it’s about the integrity of our democracy and social systems. On an individual level, people can take steps to protect their data—use encryption, avoid platforms that are known for aggressive data mining, and be conscious of how much personal information they’re sharing online. But ultimately, systemic change is needed to curb the power of these tech giants.

Nick Sasaki:
Gregg, in light of everything we’ve discussed, do you have any parting thoughts on how we can move forward in this battle for perception and truth?

Gregg Braden:
I think it’s important to remember that while the forces of division and manipulation are strong, so is our ability to transcend them. We have the power to rise above the fear and confusion by reconnecting with our own inner guidance and by supporting each other in truth and solidarity. We’re living through a time of great challenge, but also great opportunity. If we can navigate through the noise and stay connected to our deeper wisdom, we can emerge from this stronger and more united than ever before.

Cycles of Human Experience and the Future of Humanity

Nick Sasaki (Moderator):
Thank you all for being here. Today, we’re discussing cycles of human experience and what they mean for the future of humanity, especially as we approach key moments of convergence, such as the year 2030. Gregg, you often talk about how humanity is influenced by ancient cycles that repeat over time. Could you begin by explaining how these cycles are playing out now and what they mean for our future?

Gregg Braden:
Thanks, Nick. Human history moves in cycles, not in a straight line. These cycles—whether they are cosmic, social, or biological—repeat themselves over time, bringing us to key moments of change. We’re in one of those moments now, where multiple cycles are converging: geopolitical, environmental, economic, and even solar cycles. These convergences create a window of opportunity for transformation, but they also come with great challenges. I believe the year 2030 marks the close of several significant cycles, and how we navigate the next few years will determine whether we enter a new era of unity and innovation, or a period of greater division and difficulty.

Nick Sasaki:
Rupert, you’ve explored the concept of morphic resonance, which suggests that memory and behavior patterns are transferred across time and influence human experience. How does this idea of resonance fit into the cyclical nature of human history?

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake:
It fits quite well, actually. Morphic resonance suggests that patterns of behavior and experience are passed down through fields of memory, which influence how species—and even societies—behave over time. These fields could explain why we see repeated patterns in human history, as Gregg describes. Civilizations rise and fall in cycles because they’re influenced by the cumulative memories of the past. The choices we make today are informed, consciously or unconsciously, by these past patterns. However, morphic resonance doesn’t mean we’re doomed to repeat history exactly as it was. If we can consciously interact with these fields, we have the potential to break destructive cycles and create new, more harmonious ones.

Nick Sasaki:
Daniel, you’ve spoken about complex systems and how crises often lead to transformation. What do you think about these cycles Gregg and Rupert are discussing, and how do they tie into the evolutionary pressures humanity faces today?

Daniel Schmachtenberger:
I think we’re at a critical inflection point, where the complexity of our global systems—environmental, technological, political—has reached a level where the old ways of managing them no longer work. As Gregg mentioned, we’re facing the convergence of multiple cycles, and that’s creating a kind of pressure on the entire system. In complex systems theory, crises often precede breakthroughs, but they can also lead to breakdowns. It depends on how we respond. The patterns of the past suggest that when systems are stressed, they either adapt and evolve, or they collapse. We’re seeing both possibilities right now. If we want to navigate these cycles successfully, we’ll need to fundamentally rethink how we organize society—moving away from extractive systems and towards regenerative ones that can sustain life and well-being on this planet.

Nick Sasaki:
Ervin, you’ve studied systems theory and consciousness evolution for decades. How do you see these converging cycles affecting the evolution of human consciousness and the future of humanity?

Dr. Ervin Laszlo:
What we are witnessing is the emergence of a new consciousness—one that is more global, more holistic, and more attuned to the interconnectedness of life. These converging cycles are forcing humanity to confront the limitations of the old, fragmented ways of thinking. Historically, crises have driven leaps in consciousness, as people were pushed to evolve in response to external pressures. I believe we are now at such a juncture. The future of humanity depends on our ability to transcend narrow, individualistic perspectives and embrace a more integrated, collective consciousness. This shift is not just a matter of survival but of thriving in a new paradigm where we recognize our deep connection to each other, to the planet, and to the cosmos itself.

Nick Sasaki:
Gregg, hearing all of this, how do you think we can help guide humanity through this critical juncture to ensure that we don’t repeat the mistakes of the past?

Gregg Braden:
I think the first step is recognizing that we are not powerless in this process. The cycles that Rupert, Daniel, and Ervin have described aren’t deterministic—they offer opportunities for change. Humanity has the ability to make conscious choices that influence how these cycles play out. This is where awareness and education come in. We need to help people understand that we’re part of something much larger—a vast system of interconnected cycles that influence everything from our individual lives to the trajectory of civilization. If we can shift our mindset from one of fear and separation to one of collaboration and unity, we can guide these cycles toward positive outcomes. But that requires a willingness to question old paradigms and embrace new ways of thinking.

Nick Sasaki:
Rupert, how do you see individuals influencing these larger cycles through conscious choices or practices? Can morphic resonance be consciously directed?

Dr. Rupert Sheldrake:
Yes, I believe it can be. Morphic resonance is like a memory field that influences behavior, but we can also influence it through conscious choices. When enough people adopt new behaviors or ways of thinking, they create new morphic fields, which can then influence others. This is why collective meditation or global movements for change can have such a powerful impact—they create a resonance that spreads beyond the individuals involved. So, by consciously choosing to act with greater awareness, compassion, and cooperation, we can help shift the collective resonance of humanity. In this sense, individual actions do matter, and they can contribute to breaking old cycles and establishing new, healthier ones.

Nick Sasaki:
Daniel, building on that idea, how can we foster systemic changes that align with these shifts in consciousness and cycles? What steps do you see as crucial in this moment?

Daniel Schmachtenberger:
The key is to create systems that are adaptive, decentralized, and resilient. Centralized, hierarchical systems often fail because they’re rigid and slow to adapt to changes. In contrast, decentralized systems—whether in governance, technology, or ecology—allow for more flexibility and responsiveness. We need to rethink how we structure our societies to be more regenerative, both ecologically and socially. This means adopting practices like permaculture in agriculture, decentralized energy grids, and new forms of governance that are participatory and transparent. On a deeper level, it’s about shifting from an extractive mindset to one of stewardship, where we see ourselves as caretakers of the planet and each other. If we can create systems that reflect this new consciousness, we’ll be better equipped to navigate the challenges ahead.

Nick Sasaki:
Ervin, you’ve long spoken about the need for a global consciousness shift. What role do you think science and spirituality play in guiding humanity through these transformative cycles?

Dr. Ervin Laszlo:
Both science and spirituality are essential. Science helps us understand the interconnectedness of life, the cosmos, and the cycles we are discussing today. It provides the evidence for the need to change our systems and behaviors. But spirituality gives us the wisdom and the motivation to act in accordance with this understanding. It’s not enough to know that we are interconnected; we must feel it and live it. Spiritual practices, such as meditation and mindfulness, can help individuals awaken to this interconnectedness on a personal level, while science can guide us in creating technologies and systems that are in harmony with the planet. The fusion of these two realms—science and spirituality—will be critical for humanity’s evolution through this time of convergence.

Nick Sasaki:
Gregg, do you have any final thoughts on how we can balance these scientific and spiritual approaches to navigate the cycles of transformation we’re facing?

Gregg Braden:
I think it’s all about integration. For too long, we’ve separated science and spirituality, treating them as if they’re in conflict, when in fact, they complement each other beautifully. Science provides the structure, the logic, and the tools, while spirituality offers the wisdom, the purpose, and the compassion. If we can bring these two perspectives together, we’ll have the full picture we need to navigate these cycles of transformation. As Rupert, Daniel, and Ervin have all said, the future of humanity depends on our ability to evolve—not just technologically, but spiritually and socially. We have the tools, the knowledge, and the capacity within us to do this. The question is, will we make the conscious choice to evolve, or will we fall back into the old patterns of the past?

Short Bios:

Gregg Braden is a New York Times bestselling author and researcher who bridges science, spirituality, and human potential. Known for his work on human evolution, consciousness, and ancient cycles, Braden explores how ancient wisdom and modern science converge to unlock our highest potential. He emphasizes topics like the divine matrix, fractal antennas, and the role of heart-based wisdom in navigating today's global challenges.

Rupert Sheldrake is a biologist best known for his theory of morphic resonance, which suggests that memory is shared across species and influences biological processes. His work explores collective memory, morphogenetic fields, and the deep connections between biology and consciousness, challenging mainstream scientific paradigms.

Daniel Schmachtenberger is a systems thinker and futurist who focuses on complex systems theory, human adaptation, and global crises. His work advocates for regenerative systems, decentralized governance, and societal resilience in the face of technological disruption and environmental challenges. He emphasizes the need for innovative solutions to address today's interconnected global issues.

Ervin Laszlo is a philosopher, systems theorist, and expert on consciousness evolution. He explores quantum consciousness, global coherence, and holistic systems thinking, advocating for the integration of science and spirituality. Laszlo’s work promotes the idea of a shift in human consciousness that can lead to a more harmonious and sustainable future.

David Icke is a British author and public speaker known for his controversial views on global control systems and the manipulation of human consciousness. He focuses on how elite power structures use fear, division, and misinformation to control human perception, arguing for the awakening of human potential and the transcendence of imposed limitations.

Graham Hancock is a journalist and author known for his work on ancient civilizations, lost knowledge, and spiritual awakening. His research delves into the cycles of human history, exploring how past civilizations encoded knowledge of a cosmic struggle between higher consciousness and ignorance, with implications for our modern world.

Dr. Richard Tarnas is a cultural historian and professor of philosophy and psychology, known for his work on archetypal patterns and the evolution of human consciousness. He explores how archetypal forces shape historical and personal experiences, offering insights into the deeper spiritual and psychological dynamics at play in modern events.

Deepak Chopra is a renowned physician and spiritual teacher, focusing on the intersection of mind, body, and spirit. He explores human consciousness, divinity, and the potential for individuals to transcend perceived limitations through spiritual practices like meditation and mindfulness, promoting overall well-being.

Dr. Joe Dispenza is a neuroscientist and best-selling author who focuses on the power of the mind to change biology and unlock human potential. His work emphasizes brain chemistry, meditation, and the practical applications of quantum physics in personal transformation and healing.

Caroline Myss is a medical intuitive and spiritual teacher known for her work on energy medicine, healing, and human consciousness. She explores the role of divinity in personal empowerment, emphasizing the need to overcome fear and limitations through spiritual awareness and intuitive insight.

Bruce Lipton is a cell biologist and author of The Biology of Belief, where he explores how thoughts, beliefs, and emotions influence human biology. His work challenges the traditional understanding of genetics, suggesting that our beliefs can reprogram our cells and unlock human potential.

Dr. Zach Bush is a physician specializing in internal medicine, endocrinology, and hospice care, who has focused on the connection between human biology, nature, and environmental health. He emphasizes the microbiome’s role in human health and how reconnecting with nature can help humanity access higher consciousness and healing.

Sadhguru is a spiritual leader and yogi known for his teachings on inner transformation, self-realization, and the body as a vehicle for consciousness. He promotes yoga, meditation, and mindfulness as tools to access deeper levels of divine information and align with the natural world.