The Alchemist Through INFJ and ENFP: MBTI Dialogues Unfold

Introduction by Paulo Coelho: 

I have always believed that the universe conspires in favor of those who listen to their hearts. And yet, no journey is taken alone. Behind every dreamer stands a guide, a friend, a mirror.

In writing The Alchemist, I saw in Santiago the wild fire of an ENFP—curious, searching, trusting in signs. And I have met, in many quiet corners of my life, the INFJ souls who held the map while others ran with the wind.

This dialogue between types is not just psychological—it is alchemical. One type ignites the flame, the other shapes its purpose. Together, they embody the eternal tension of freedom and vision, faith and reflection, risk and wisdom.

These five conversations are more than MBTI analysis. They are an unfolding map of the inner world. Each word is a step. Each voice is an omen. And if you are still enough—you may find your own legend waiting behind them.

 (Note: This is an imaginary conversation, a creative exploration of an idea, and not a real speech or event.)

Topic 1 – Guidance vs. Discovery: Who Leads the Journey of the Soul?

Participants:

• Isabel Briggs Myers (MB) – Moderator
• Susan Storm – MBTI educator and INFJ writer at PsychologyJunkie
• Elizabeth Gilbert – ENFP author (Eat, Pray, Love)
• John Beebe – Jungian analyst and MBTI pioneer
• Richard Rohr – INFJ Franciscan friar and spiritual teacher
• Joseph Campbell – Late mythologist, here in spirit, famed for the Hero’s Journey

MB (moderator):
In The Alchemist, Santiago follows signs and teachers—but also relies on his inner curiosity and instinct. Here's my question to begin:

"What drives a soul's journey more powerfully—inner guidance or external discovery?"

Elizabeth Gilbert:
Oh, it’s always the inner spark that kicks things off. We don’t go on journeys because someone tells us to—we go because something inside us feels restless, yearning, half-awake. That’s what happened to Santiago. He needed to chase that dream, even before he knew what it meant. But once he began, the world started showing up with signs and teachers. It's like the universe meets you halfway.

John Beebe:
I'd say it's both—and neither. Jung saw this as a dance between the ego and the Self. Santiago’s journey is symbolic of the ego venturing out, but the Self orchestrates encounters. The inner compass (like intuition) sets the direction, but it’s the archetypal mentors—the Alchemist, the King—that externalize the Self. So while it feels like a personal adventure, it’s the psyche pushing the narrative from both ends.

Susan Storm:
From an MBTI standpoint, we could say Santiago embodies the dominant Extraverted Intuition (Ne) of an ENFP—constantly scanning the environment for clues and possibilities. But what powers him is his Introverted Feeling (Fi)—his internal alignment to what feels right and authentic. So yes, the world gives him guidance, but only when it resonates with his internal values does he actually act.

Joseph Campbell:
There is no hero’s journey without that initial call from within. But the key moment is when the hero meets a mentor—the wise figure, the helper. Santiago has many of these. These guides are not pushing him—they’re reminding him of what he already knows. That’s myth’s function: to help people remember. So external guides mirror internal truths.

Richard Rohr:
In spiritual language, we’d say the soul has an inborn compass—a homing device for God or truth. But no soul travels alone. We need mirrors, community, archetypes—call them angels, dreams, omens. Santiago’s journey works because he was open to receiving revelation, not just chasing it. External and internal aren't rivals—they're partners in grace.

MB (moderator):
Beautiful. My next question is this:

"In your view, what role does a mentor or guide play in shaping the journey of someone like Santiago?"

Joseph Campbell:
The mentor is not a teacher in the academic sense. He is the threshold guardian, the one who confirms: Yes, this journey matters. The Alchemist doesn’t instruct Santiago—he initiates him. A mentor sees the hero not as who they are, but who they’re becoming.

Susan Storm:
In MBTI terms, a mentor often represents a person’s inferior or shadow functions. For Santiago, someone like the Alchemist may reflect Introverted Thinking (Ti)—logical structure—or Introverted Intuition (Ni)—a focused vision. That contrast challenges and stretches him. The best mentors disrupt comfort zones by engaging functions we don’t normally lead with.

Richard Rohr:
Guides are like spiritual midwives. They don’t give you something new—they draw out what’s already alive within you. Santiago had the truth inside, but someone needed to create silence, challenge, or paradox for it to emerge. That’s what true mentorship is: sacred disruption.

Elizabeth Gilbert:
Honestly, I think a good guide holds your fear with one hand and your dream with the other. They don’t lead—they walk beside you, nudging when you freeze and cheering when you leap. The Alchemist never gave Santiago the map—he gave him the permission to listen to his heart.

John Beebe:
From a depth psychology angle, mentors often function as archetypes—the Sage, the Magician, the Wise Old Man. Their job is to constellate psychic energy within the hero so the transformation can take place. In that sense, the guide is a mirror, a symbol, a trigger—not just a person.

MB (moderator):
Thank you. Now for our final question:

"How can INFJs and ENFPs in real life complement each other in soul-level journeys like Santiago’s?"

Richard Rohr:
INFJs bring discernment—they quietly feel the undercurrent, the timing, the meaning behind the moment. ENFPs bring the spark—the movement, the leap of faith. Together, they create a spiritual dance of energy and direction. One ignites, the other centers.

Elizabeth Gilbert:
As an ENFP myself—I can say we sometimes chase everything shiny. An INFJ in my life will tilt their head and ask, “But does it still align with your truth?” That question alone is a gift. We need INFJs to ground our fire in meaning.

John Beebe:
This pairing illustrates a beautiful psychological synergy: the ENFP brings dominant Ne (vision outward), and the INFJ brings dominant Ni (vision inward). When in sync, this can produce extraordinary insight + action. It’s like yin and yang of intuitive consciousness.

Susan Storm:
I love this pairing. ENFPs expand possibilities; INFJs filter them. ENFPs energize; INFJs refine. Both care deeply about authenticity. When they communicate well, they build not just dreams—but dreams with depth.

Joseph Campbell:
Every hero needs a witness. Every journey needs a whisperer. When the ENFP travels outward, the INFJ quietly lights the inner lamp. Together, they echo the myth itself: fire and vision moving as one.

MB:
What a beautiful harmony of voices. We’ve seen that the soul’s journey is neither just guided nor just discovered—it’s awakened through interaction, shaped through courage, and refined through reflection. Thank you all for guiding this exploration today.

Topic 2 – The Language of Omens: Intuition as a Compass

Participants:

• Isabel Briggs Myers (MB) – Moderator
• Dario Nardi – Neuroscientist and MBTI expert on brain patterns and cognition
• Alan Watts – Philosopher and ENFP, master of intuition and presence
• Carl Jung – In spirit, originator of typological functions and the concept of synchronicity
• Heidi Priebe – ENFP writer and typology enthusiast, focused on emotional depth
• Joseph Campbell – In spirit, mythologist and master of symbolic interpretation

MB (moderator):
In The Alchemist, Santiago sees omens everywhere—birds, stones, dreams, even silence. Here's my first question:

"What exactly are omens, and how do intuitive types (especially INFJ and ENFP) interpret them differently?"

Alan Watts:
Omens are not literal signs—they’re mirrors of our awareness. ENFPs catch these little sparks—like butterflies flitting past—and instantly feel, "This means something." It's not superstition, it's attunement. ENFPs respond with energy; INFJs with stillness. Where ENFPs chase the shimmer, INFJs close their eyes and ask, "What does this really mean?"

Dario Nardi:
In my brain research, intuitive types show unique patterns—INFJs activate a “zen” state when interpreting abstract meaning, while ENFPs show rapid idea generation. ENFPs are scanning externally for novelty and potential. INFJs are synthesizing internally, connecting symbols to deeper frameworks. Same intuition, opposite processing.

Heidi Priebe:
As an ENFP, I’ll say—we don’t see signs, we feel them. It’s like a heart tug that whispers, "Pay attention." But sometimes we chase false trails if we’re not grounded. INFJs, on the other hand, don’t rush. They meditate on signs. They question. ENFPs are lightning; INFJs are candlelight.

Joseph Campbell:
Omens are the language of myth. The universe doesn’t speak in English—it speaks in symbols. Santiago’s omens represent his awakening. ENFPs recognize the call to adventure; INFJs decode the myth behind it. One sees the path, the other sees the pattern.

Carl Jung:
I called this synchronicity—a meaningful coincidence. INFJs internalize synchronicities into a cohesive vision, often unconscious at first. ENFPs, more externally directed, leap toward them with joy and spontaneity. But in both, the psyche is reaching out—bridging the outer and the inner worlds.

MB (moderator):
That leads us into the next layer of the topic:

"How can intuitive types distinguish between real guidance and projection or wishful thinking?"

Dario Nardi:
Great question. From a cognitive standpoint, ENFPs must watch for pattern overload—seeing too many connections. INFJs must check for internal bias—mistaking fear or hope for vision. It helps to pause, reflect, and cross-reference signs with core values or long-term insight.

Carl Jung:
When the ego interferes too much, signs become distorted. We project what we want to see. Real omens disrupt comfort. They often feel unsettling, not validating. A true sign, like the unconscious, arrives from the shadow—and demands transformation.

Heidi Priebe:
As ENFPs, we can romanticize anything—clouds, coffee foam, a stranger’s smile. The challenge is to ask, "Is this a sign—or am I just bored or desperate?" INFJs help by anchoring us in discernment. They don’t just ask what something means—they ask why we want it to mean that.

Joseph Campbell:
True guidance often comes at a cost. It doesn’t flatter—it challenges. When Santiago sees a vision of war at the oasis, it’s terrifying. That’s how you know it’s real. It calls you to act, not just to feel inspired.

Alan Watts:
You know, life isn't about certainty. It's about resonance. An omen is real if it opens you up, not if it confirms your fears or strokes your ego. Both INFJ and ENFP must learn to empty themselves to truly listen.

MB (moderator):
Beautiful responses. Final question for today:

"How can INFJs and ENFPs support each other in navigating the intuitive path—especially in uncertain times?"

Heidi Priebe:
We ENFPs are spontaneous seers. We feel the urge, the heat, the push to move. But sometimes we’re lost. INFJs—my god—they’ll say one sentence and it’s like the fog clears. They help us see the meaning behind the moment. We help them feel the courage to step into it.

Joseph Campbell:
Think of it mythically: the ENFP is the fool stepping into the unknown, the INFJ is the wise one who sees where it all leads. One lights the fire, the other tells the story. Their synergy is not just spiritual—it’s archetypal.

Alan Watts:
ENFPs help INFJs remember joy. INFJs help ENFPs remember silence. They both live between worlds. Together, they make a full circle of intuition: movement and depth, laughter and stillness, lightning and moonlight.

Carl Jung:
The INFJ’s Ni protects the soul from delusion; the ENFP’s Ne awakens the soul to possibility. One looks inward for clarity, the other outward for inspiration. Together, they form a sacred mirror—each reflecting what the other forgets.

Dario Nardi:
When they collaborate, they cover the full intuitive spectrum. INFJs bring long-view synthesis. ENFPs bring lateral expansion. If they stay open to each other’s pace, they become incredible co-navigators—intellectually, emotionally, and spiritually.

MB:
Thank you all. We’ve seen how omens are not just signs—but invitations to deeper listening. For INFJ and ENFP types, intuition is not a solo instrument—it’s a duet. May we all keep tuning in.

Topic 3 – What is a Personal Legend? Destiny vs. Design

Participants:

• Isabel Briggs Myers (MB) – Moderator
• Joseph Campbell – Mythologist, author of The Hero with a Thousand Faces
• Jordan Peterson – ENFJ psychologist and thinker on destiny, structure, and meaning
• Marie-Louise von Franz – Jungian analyst, focused on individuation and the inner journey
• Cory Caplinger – ENFP co-host of Personality Hacker, focused on type development
• Richard Rohr – INFJ Franciscan spiritual teacher and author of Falling Upward

MB (moderator):
In The Alchemist, the concept of a “Personal Legend” is central—it’s Santiago’s reason for being. My question is:

"Is a Personal Legend something we are born with—or something we shape along the way?"

Joseph Campbell:
We are born with it, but we forget. The myths tell us that each soul arrives with a calling—what the Greeks called daimon. The hero’s journey is not about inventing purpose, but remembering it. Santiago doesn’t create his legend—he discovers it in the act of pursuing it.

Cory Caplinger:
As an ENFP, I resonate deeply with the idea that we’re born with a pull toward something. But I think how we live that legend is incredibly flexible. Personality type plays a role—our functions guide how we interpret life. So yes, there’s a seed… but what grows depends on context, choice, and self-awareness.

Marie-Louise von Franz:
In Jungian terms, the Personal Legend is the individuation path—the soul’s unique blueprint toward wholeness. It is innate, but it is not fixed. We encounter it through dreams, through projection, through suffering. Like the alchemist’s gold, it is hidden and must be worked for.

Richard Rohr:
I would say the Legend is the true self—the image of God placed in us. But we must lose the false self to find it. Santiago had to give up comfort, fear, and even love in the form of attachment. Only then did the real purpose emerge. Destiny is written, yes—but it’s written in code we must learn to read.

Jordan Peterson:
The Legend represents what we could become if we fully actualized our potential. It’s a mix of temperament, biology, and culture—but also deep moral responsibility. You don’t stumble into your destiny. You carry it, painfully, and voluntarily, through meaning and sacrifice. It's a design you co-write with the world.

MB (moderator):
Powerful insights. My next question is:

"How does the INFJ–ENFP dynamic influence how one identifies or responds to their Personal Legend?"

Cory Caplinger:
ENFPs tend to leap before they understand. They feel the pulse of destiny early, but can get overwhelmed with options. INFJs, meanwhile, have an uncanny ability to see the essence of a path, even if they don’t act on it immediately. ENFPs can activate INFJs. INFJs can refine ENFPs.

Jordan Peterson:
The ENFP’s drive to chase possibility is essential—but chaotic. INFJs bring structure to vision. They are strategic feelers. They ask, “What’s the deeper consequence of this dream?” Together, they balance energy with alignment. The danger lies in impulsivity (ENFP) or paralysis (INFJ). Together, they can correct each other.

Richard Rohr:
INFJs recognize the symbolic thread in life events. ENFPs jump into the flow. Together, they can dance. I’ve seen many INFJ–ENFP spiritual pairs where one says, “Let’s go!” and the other says, “Let’s ask why.” It’s not conflict—it’s the full conversation of the soul.

Marie-Louise von Franz:
In typological terms, INFJs follow Ni—introverted intuition—which draws from deep internal imagery. ENFPs lead with Ne—extraverted intuition—which gathers energy from external patterns. One sees inwardly, the other outwardly. That polarity is essential to fully encountering the Self—or the Legend.

Joseph Campbell:
One finds the road; the other makes the road visible. Together, they fulfill myth’s prophecy: that the journey is both called from within and confirmed from without. INFJ sees the map; ENFP feels the wind. They are mythological partners.

MB (moderator):
Thank you. Here is our final question today:

"How can we practically support someone—especially an ENFP or INFJ—who is seeking their Personal Legend?"

Marie-Louise von Franz:
We must teach them to listen—not just to the world, but to the symbolic language of dreams, emotions, and synchronicity. The Legend whispers—it does not shout. Helping them develop patience with ambiguity is vital.

Cory Caplinger:
Give ENFPs room to explore without judgment. Let INFJs talk through their vision, even if it seems abstract. Both types thrive when seen and affirmed as they are—not pushed into boxes. Ask, “What’s lighting you up lately?” or “What truth are you trying to live?”

Richard Rohr:
We support them by getting out of the way. Santiago didn’t need instruction—he needed permission. Trust their compass, but walk beside them. Create safe space for mistakes and silence. Legends don’t bloom in control; they bloom in trust.

Jordan Peterson:
Challenge them. Not harshly—but seriously. Tell the INFJ, “Make it real.” Tell the ENFP, “See it through.” The world is full of potential—most of it wasted. Encourage them to aim higher, not safer. And remind them: the Legend isn’t just about joy. It’s about meaning.

Joseph Campbell:
Say to them what I’ve said to thousands: “Follow your bliss.” But explain that “bliss” isn’t pleasure—it’s alignment with the deepest truth you know. Support their journey by being an ally to their soul’s becoming. Then stand back—and watch the story unfold.

MB:
Thank you, all. What we’ve uncovered today is this: A Personal Legend is not a straight line—it’s a spiral toward the center of who we are. For INFJs and ENFPs, that path is uniquely intuitive, deeply symbolic, and fully alive.

Topic 4 – Love and the Journey: Sacrifice or Synergy?

Participants:

• Isabel Briggs Myers (MB) – Moderator
• Brené Brown – Likely ENFJ, researcher on vulnerability and wholehearted relationships
• Debra Silverman – Astrologer and therapist, integrates emotional and typological insight
• Jay Shetty – Former monk and ENFP author of Think Like a Monk
• A.J. Drenth – MBTI author and founder of Personality Junkie, known for depth on introverted functions
• Richard Rohr – INFJ spiritual teacher on love, loss, and divine union

MB (moderator):
In The Alchemist, Santiago must choose between staying with Fatima or continuing toward his treasure. My first question is:

"Does true love require sacrifice—or can it be a force that supports the journey?"

Jay Shetty:
Beautiful question. Love that is aligned with our purpose doesn’t bind—it blesses. Fatima tells Santiago, “Go, I’ll wait.” That’s not a sacrifice—it’s synergy. True love gives you space to grow. When two people have inner clarity, love becomes a launchpad, not a leash.

A.J. Drenth:
From a typological angle, introverts—especially INFJs—may initially see love as a merging of souls, something deep and constant. ENFPs, on the other hand, may fear that love means losing freedom. The balance is realizing love can be dynamic, not constraining. When it aligns with purpose, it enhances both identity and direction.

Debra Silverman:
Love is not always soft—it tests you. The alchemist knew this. When love becomes a test of attachment, it reveals what we really value. ENFPs must learn to root their fire, and INFJs must open to shared growth. Love doesn’t stop the journey—it deepens it, if it’s real.

Brené Brown:
Love and purpose don’t compete—shame makes us think they do. Santiago thought he’d betray Fatima if he left. But what she said was, “I trust you.” That’s vulnerability. That’s synergy. Love that invites your full self, including your dreams, is what we all hunger for.

Richard Rohr:
Spiritually, love is not possession—it is release with faith. Santiago’s journey doesn’t abandon love—it fulfills it. When the soul is free, love follows. And when love is free, the soul grows. So yes—real love supports the journey… and sometimes looks like letting go.

MB (moderator):
Thank you. Here’s our next question:

"How do ENFPs and INFJs, specifically, experience love differently—and how might this affect their decisions in a journey like Santiago’s?"

Brené Brown:
ENFPs love with fire—it’s fast, wide, intense. INFJs love with depth—slow, profound, sacred. ENFPs may struggle with staying when the spark fades. INFJs may struggle with starting because they’re already writing the ending. Together, they need honesty, patience, and shared trust in the timing of love.

Jay Shetty:
As an ENFP, I’ve wrestled with loving everything and everyone—but also knowing which love is rooted in my dharma. INFJs feel when love is divine appointment, but may not verbalize it. ENFPs feel it in the moment and shout it. They need to meet each other with openness and grounding.

A.J. Drenth:
For INFJs, love is often fused with meaning and vision. It’s not just who but why. ENFPs are driven by shared enthusiasm and mutual growth. INFJs may look for emotional constancy; ENFPs, emotional evolution. Both must understand that love is not static—it evolves like the soul.

Debra Silverman:
I call it “water meets fire.” INFJs are emotional oceans—mystical, introspective, slow tides. ENFPs are vibrant lightning—flashes of illumination, passion, movement. When they meet consciously, it’s stunning. But without awareness, it can burn out or drown. They need emotional fluency to sustain it.

Richard Rohr:
INFJs must learn that love is not about complete knowing—it’s about trusting what cannot be known. ENFPs must learn that love isn’t just inspiration—it’s faithfulness in motion. Together, they are the spiritual arc: love that moves, yet never loses center.

MB (moderator):
Final question:

"When the path of love and the path of purpose seem to conflict, how should one navigate that tension?"

Jay Shetty:
It’s not either/or—it’s sequence. Purpose sometimes comes first so love can mature. Or love comes first and inspires purpose. Ask: “Is this love holding me back—or is it fear disguised as love?” The right love whispers, “Go, I’ll still be here.”

A.J. Drenth:
Look at your dominant and inferior functions. ENFPs may mistake external chemistry for deep compatibility. INFJs may idealize a connection too quickly. Clarity comes from aligning love with your inner compass, not escaping discomfort. Pause and reflect.

Debra Silverman:
You follow both, but not always at the same time. Sometimes love is the teacher; sometimes it’s the reward. ENFPs need help trusting that stillness doesn’t mean stagnation. INFJs need help trusting that motion doesn’t mean instability. The tension itself is where the growth lives.

Brené Brown:
Let love be the partner, not the obstacle. If you can talk about it—name the fears, the dreams, the values—you’re already on the path. If you have to hide your truth to keep love, it’s not love. It's fear. Walk with the one who wants you fully alive.

Richard Rohr:
Sacred love never asks you to shrink your soul. When love and purpose seem in conflict, that’s a divine question—not a punishment. Pray it. Live it. Trust that what is truly for you will return, and what isn’t will transform you. That’s grace.

MB:
Thank you, friends. Today’s dialogue reminds us that real love is not something we “choose over” our calling—it’s something that walks with it. For the ENFP and INFJ, love isn’t just emotion—it’s the path itself, refined by purpose.

Topic 5 – Transformation through Dialogue: Mentor and Seeker Dynamic

Participants:

• Isabel Briggs Myers (MB) – Moderator
• Sharon Salzberg – Meditation teacher and INFJ, focused on inner wisdom and loving presence
• Malcolm Gladwell – ENFP author and thinker on patterns, meaning, and counterintuition
• Niema Moshiri – MBTI educator and mentor, known for teaching MBTI through real-life application
• Jonathan Rowson – Philosopher and typology thinker, focused on systems, wisdom, and transition
• Joseph Campbell – Mythologist, whose work defined the seeker/mentor dynamic in modern myth

MB (moderator):
In The Alchemist, Santiago meets many mentors—the King, the Englishman, the Alchemist himself. They don’t give him answers; they give him questions. My first question is:

"What makes the mentor–seeker relationship truly transformational—especially for INFJ and ENFP types?"

Malcolm Gladwell:
Transformation happens when a conversation cracks open an assumption. For ENFPs, that’s everything—we live for the unexpected insight. For INFJs, it’s more internal. They may not visibly react, but one comment from a mentor can reshape their worldview for years. The key is resonance, not instruction.

Sharon Salzberg:
A mentor doesn’t impose—they hold space. INFJs respond to stillness and trust; ENFPs to curiosity and permission. Transformation occurs when the seeker feels seen without being steered. The mentor asks, “What do you already know that you’ve forgotten?” And then waits in silence.

Joseph Campbell:
Mentorship in myth is about activation. The mentor doesn't solve the problem—they initiate the inner journey. For the ENFP, the guide calls them into adventure. For the INFJ, the guide confirms their vision and gives it sacred weight. Both are being awakened to their deeper path.

Niema Moshiri:
MBTI types help us understand how transformation lands. ENFPs are seekers of inspiration; INFJs are seekers of depth. Mentors who speak in symbols, metaphors, and possibilities create the right space. But it must be authentic—both types are extremely attuned to emotional truth.

Jonathan Rowson:
Real mentorship is dialogical, not hierarchical. The INFJ may appear quiet but is having a rich inner dialogue. The ENFP may talk constantly, but is probing ideas through that talk. A good mentor listens for what’s underneath the words—and mirrors it back with nuance and challenge.

MB (moderator):
Wonderful. Let’s go deeper:

"How does the INFJ–ENFP pairing specifically enrich or challenge the mentor–seeker dynamic?"

Sharon Salzberg:
They are natural soul-companions. INFJs are often drawn into the mentor role—they reflect. ENFPs tend to seek mentors—they explore. When the INFJ remembers not to over-guide, and the ENFP stays curious without escaping, the exchange becomes sacred.

Malcolm Gladwell:
ENFPs need freedom to bounce, and INFJs offer that, surprisingly. They don’t micromanage. But INFJs need emotional safety—and ENFPs, if grounded, can offer warmth and play without judgment. It’s a creative tension: spark and stillness meeting halfway.

Niema Moshiri:
ENFPs may find INFJs “too vague,” and INFJs may find ENFPs “too scattered.” But that’s where magic happens. INFJs slow the ENFP down just enough to hear their own thoughts. ENFPs pull INFJs into real-world experimentation. Each is the missing piece of the other's growth.

Joseph Campbell:
The ENFP is often the hero in motion; the INFJ is the seer at the crossroads. Together, they represent becoming. Their dialogue is not instructional—it is alchemical. One provides fire; the other, form. One creates momentum; the other, meaning.

Jonathan Rowson:
They both share a deep respect for transformation. ENFPs dive into the chaos looking for insight. INFJs stand at the edge with questions like, “What is the cost of this leap?” In dialogue, they help each other see the full picture—action plus consequence, passion plus structure.

MB (moderator):
Last question today:

"How can we nurture more transformational dialogue—especially between those who mentor and those who seek?"

Joseph Campbell:
By reclaiming the mythic. We need to treat questions as sacred, not strategic. When a young seeker asks, “What should I do?” the mentor should answer, “What are you willing to become?” Dialogue must awaken myth, not replace it with instruction.

Niema Moshiri:
Make space for type-informed mentorship. Help seekers understand their process. For ENFPs, give them room to speak and dream aloud. For INFJs, allow silence and layers. Help mentors mirror, not mold. Use type as a map, not a script.

Jonathan Rowson:
Bring in more collective dialogue. Don’t just do mentor–mentee in private. Create circles of meaning where INFJs and ENFPs, and others, can share experiences, doubts, reflections. Transformation is not a transaction—it’s a shared emergence.

Sharon Salzberg:
Teach presence. Teach listening. The most transformational dialogue doesn’t come from wisdom—it comes from radical attention. When we meet someone with curiosity and care, their soul naturally rises to the surface.

Malcolm Gladwell:
Keep asking weird questions. The best dialogue happens when people feel safe to wonder aloud. Ask, “What if you’re already living your purpose and don’t know it?” or “What story are you tired of telling?” That opens the door. Mentorship begins with curiosity, not advice.

MB:
Thank you all. We’ve seen that true transformation begins not with answers, but with presence—especially between INFJs and ENFPs. In The Alchemist, Santiago learns most through dialogue that unlocks deeper dialogue. May we all speak—and listen—with the intention to awaken.

Final Thoughts by Paulo Coelho

When Santiago finally finds his treasure, he laughs. Not because it was under his feet the whole time—but because the real treasure was the journey that changed him.

So it is with these two types—ENFP and INFJ. The dreamer and the seer. The dancer and the anchor. They challenge each other, complement each other, transform each other.

To the ENFPs: Keep chasing the wind. But listen to the voice that speaks when you pause.
To the INFJs: Keep seeing the unseen. But let the fire of spontaneity warm your visions.

In the end, your legend is not one or the other. It is both.

And as the desert teaches us—only those who walk together, truly arrive.

Short Bios:

Isabel Briggs Myers
Co-creator of the MBTI, Isabel dedicated her life to helping people understand themselves and others through typological insight. Her legacy bridges psychology and human potential.

Joseph Campbell
A mythologist best known for The Hero with a Thousand Faces, Campbell introduced the concept of the Hero’s Journey, shaping how we view personal transformation and storytelling.

Carl Jung
Swiss psychiatrist and founder of analytical psychology, Jung developed the theory of cognitive functions and archetypes that inspired the MBTI. His work explored the deep structure of the psyche.

Richard Rohr
Franciscan friar and spiritual teacher, Rohr writes about inner transformation, contemplation, and the journey of the true self. An INFJ by temperament, he bridges psychology and mysticism.

Elizabeth Gilbert
Bestselling author of Eat, Pray, Love, Gilbert is known for her passionate ENFP voice and her exploration of creativity, freedom, and emotional truth.

Susan Storm
MBTI expert and creator of PsychologyJunkie.com, Storm brings clarity to personality types, especially INFJs, and helps people apply typology to real-life relationships and growth.

John Beebe
Jungian analyst and typologist, Beebe is known for his eight-function model and his integration of archetypal roles into MBTI, deepening our understanding of inner dynamics.

Dario Nardi
Neuroscientist and MBTI researcher, Nardi studies how brain activity correlates with personality types, bringing scientific grounding to cognitive functions and type development.

Heidi Priebe
ENFP author and typology educator, Priebe explores the emotional lives of MBTI types with depth and candor, focusing especially on identity and relational patterns.

Jordan Peterson
Psychologist and public thinker, Peterson often discusses purpose, sacrifice, and personal responsibility. His ENFJ orientation is reflected in his deep concern with meaning and structure.

Marie-Louise von Franz
Swiss Jungian psychologist and close collaborator of Jung, von Franz wrote extensively on dreams, individuation, and symbolic interpretation, particularly through fairytales and myths.

Cory Caplinger
ENFP educator and co-host of Personality Hacker, Caplinger focuses on MBTI and personal development, helping others unlock potential through self-awareness.

Debra Silverman
Astrologer, therapist, and personality teacher, Silverman blends elemental archetypes with typology to guide emotional integration and growth.

Brené Brown
Researcher and storyteller known for her work on vulnerability, shame, and wholehearted living, Brown brings emotional intelligence and warmth to discussions on personal truth.

Jay Shetty
Former monk and author of Think Like a Monk, Shetty shares practical wisdom through storytelling, mindfulness, and ENFP-driven reflections on purpose and love.

A.J. Drenth
Author and founder of Personality Junkie, Drenth explores introverted cognitive functions in depth, especially INTPs, INFJs, and INTJs, with philosophical nuance.

Sharon Salzberg
Pioneering meditation teacher and author, Salzberg teaches mindfulness and lovingkindness with clarity and calm, supporting seekers on the path to inner peace.

Malcolm Gladwell
Bestselling author and ENFP thinker, Gladwell is known for weaving unexpected patterns into compelling narratives, exploring intuition, bias, and human behavior.

Niema Moshiri
MBTI educator and mentor, Moshiri specializes in teaching type theory in a way that integrates real-world development and interpersonal growth.

Jonathan Rowson
Philosopher and chess grandmaster, Rowson writes on systems thinking, climate consciousness, and psychological insight, often drawing on typological frameworks to explain complexity.