Pam Grout’s E-Squared: Energy Talks with Thought Leaders

Welcome, everyone! I am so excited to introduce a truly enlightening and powerful conversation today. We are diving into an imaginary discussion inspired by Pam Grout’s transformative book, E-Squared. This is no ordinary conversation—this is a gathering of some of the greatest thought leaders and minds of our time, all coming together to explore the profound concepts of energy, manifestation, and how our thoughts create the world around us.

Imagine sitting down with visionaries like Wayne Dyer, who taught us about the power of intention, Brene Brown, who has reshaped how we understand vulnerability and courage, and Esther Hicks, channeling the wisdom of Abraham and teaching us about the law of attraction. They, along with many others, will take us on a journey into the heart of universal energy and the incredible power of our minds.

Now, even though this conversation is imaginary, the ideas, insights, and inspiration you’ll hear are very real and meant to spark transformation in your life. It’s a reminder that we are not just passive observers of life—we are active creators. So, settle in, open your heart and mind, and join us as we explore the extraordinary possibilities waiting for each of us. Let’s get started!

The Dude Abides Principle

Nick Sasaki: Welcome, everyone. We’re diving into the first topic from Pam Grout’s E-Squared, The Dude Abides Principle. This experiment tests whether there’s an invisible energy force that listens and responds to our requests. It’s all about asking the universe for a clear, undeniable sign within 48 hours, showing us that this energy field really exists. Pam, can you explain more about how this works and what you hope people take away from it?

Pam Grout: Thanks, Nick! The Dude Abides Principle is really about proving that we are connected to an energetic field that responds to our thoughts and intentions. People often think they’re just floating through life, disconnected from any kind of greater power. But what this experiment does is show that the universe—or what I call “The Dude”—is always ready to engage with us. You ask for a sign, something specific, within a certain timeframe, and then you wait. It could be anything—a song lyric, a random encounter—something that makes you stop and say, "Okay, there’s no way this is a coincidence." It’s about waking up to the idea that we’re in constant dialogue with the universe.

Nick Sasaki: That’s fascinating. Deepak, from your perspective, how does this idea of an invisible force responding to our thoughts fit into your understanding of consciousness and energy?

Deepak Chopra: This aligns perfectly with the idea of universal consciousness. When Pam talks about "The Dude," she’s describing the same field of intelligence that connects everything. Our thoughts are vibrations, and when we consciously project them, they interact with this field. What Pam is offering here is a way for people to directly experience that connection. It’s about realizing that we are not separate from the universe but part of its energetic web, constantly influencing and being influenced by it.

Nick Sasaki: Eckhart, you often talk about presence and stillness. How do you see this principle fitting into the idea of being present in the moment?

Eckhart Tolle: The Dude Abides Principle is a wonderful reminder that when we are present, fully in the moment, we become more attuned to this deeper consciousness Pam refers to. Many people are so trapped in their thoughts and distractions that they don’t notice the signs all around them. When we slow down and become still, we begin to notice the universe communicating with us in subtle ways. The signs Pam talks about become more apparent, not because they suddenly appear, but because we are finally paying attention.

Nick Sasaki: So, Pam, it’s like we’re opening a door that was always there, but now we’re stepping through?

Pam Grout: Exactly, Nick. The signs have always been there; we’ve just been too busy to notice. Once people do this experiment, they realize that the universe is always responding to them—it’s just a matter of tuning in. And once you get your sign, it’s a powerful reminder that you’re not alone in this. You’re part of something much bigger.

The Volkswagen Jetta Principle

Nick Sasaki: Moving on to the second topic, we have The Volkswagen Jetta Principle. This experiment shows that what you focus on expands. Pam, the idea is that once you start paying attention to something, like a specific car model, you suddenly start seeing it everywhere. Can you explain the thinking behind this experiment and how it ties into the concept of conscious focus?

Pam Grout: Sure, Nick. The Volkswagen Jetta Principle is all about the power of focus and attention. The idea here is that our brains are wired to notice more of whatever we focus on. When you decide to look for a specific type of car, like a Volkswagen Jetta, suddenly you start seeing it all over the place, even though it was always there before. It’s not that the universe has magically increased the number of Jettas; it’s that your attention has made them more visible. The same goes for anything in life—when you focus on abundance, for instance, you begin to notice more opportunities for abundance.

Nick Sasaki: That’s really interesting. Daniel, as someone who has studied how our brains process information, how do you see the brain’s role in this experiment?

Daniel Kahneman: What Pam is describing fits well with the concept of selective attention. The brain is constantly filtering vast amounts of information, deciding what’s relevant to focus on. This is called the Reticular Activating System (RAS), and it acts like a filter that prioritizes what we pay attention to. When you tell your brain, “I’m interested in Volkswagen Jettas,” your RAS starts bringing them into your awareness. The same principle applies when you focus on positive things like gratitude or abundance—it tunes your mind to notice more of those experiences.

Nick Sasaki: Tony, you often talk about how focus determines reality in personal development. How would you connect that to Pam’s experiment?

Tony Robbins: Absolutely, Nick. I always say, "Where focus goes, energy flows." This principle Pam talks about is a powerful example of that. When people start focusing on what they want—whether it’s financial success, better relationships, or personal growth—they begin to notice opportunities they may have overlooked before. Your mind will find a way to bring those things into your life because that’s what you’re training it to focus on. The Volkswagen Jetta Principle shows that we’re constantly shaping our experience based on what we focus on. If you focus on problems, you’ll find more problems. If you focus on solutions, you’ll start seeing ways to solve things.

Nick Sasaki: So, Pam, this principle isn’t just about noticing cars, but about how we can use focus to shape bigger areas of our lives?

Pam Grout: Exactly. It’s a reminder that we are constantly creating our reality by what we choose to pay attention to. The more intentional we are about what we focus on—whether it’s love, success, or joy—the more of those things we start seeing in our daily lives. It’s like tuning into a radio station. Once you set your frequency, that’s what you hear and experience. This experiment shows people how to consciously shift their focus and start noticing what’s already out there waiting for them.

The Alby Einstein Principle

Nick Sasaki: Now, let’s move on to The Alby Einstein Principle, where Pam shows us that everything is energy. This experiment asks participants to focus on a specific outcome and observe how their thoughts influence the energy around them. Pam, can you give us more insight into this principle and how it connects to Einstein’s famous ideas about energy?

Pam Grout: Sure, Nick. The Alby Einstein Principle is based on the idea that everything in the universe, including our thoughts, is made of energy. Einstein’s famous equation, E = mc², essentially tells us that energy and matter are interchangeable. So, in this experiment, I ask people to focus their energy—through thoughts—on a specific outcome and see how it manifests. The key here is realizing that thoughts are not just mental exercises; they’re actually energy that interacts with the world around us. It’s a reminder that we have the power to influence reality through our thinking.

Nick Sasaki: That’s fascinating. Albert, since this principle draws on your work, how do you see the connection between energy, matter, and the role of thought in shaping reality?

Albert Einstein: Well, Pam has hit on something important. My work in physics revealed that everything in the universe, whether matter or energy, is interconnected. What most people don’t realize is that our thoughts are part of this equation—they are forms of energy, albeit more subtle than what we usually consider in science. Just as matter can be influenced by physical forces, our thoughts—being a form of energy—can influence the world around us. It’s not magic; it’s just a less understood aspect of how energy works.

Nick Sasaki: Nikola, you’ve explored the nature of energy in your inventions and theories. How would you apply your understanding of energy to Pam’s experiment?

Nikola Tesla: I’ve always believed that if we want to understand the universe, we should think in terms of energy, frequency, and vibration. Pam’s experiment is an excellent example of how these principles apply not just to physical inventions but to our very thoughts and intentions. When we focus our minds on a specific goal or outcome, we are essentially tuning into a certain frequency, much like a radio. The clearer and more focused our thought, the more powerful the energy it emits, and the more likely it is to influence our surroundings. We are transmitting signals all the time, and those signals have an impact.

Nick Sasaki: So, Pam, does this mean that if people consciously focus their thoughts, they can actually alter the outcomes of situations in their lives?

Pam Grout: Exactly, Nick. People often underestimate the power of their thoughts because they can’t see the immediate effects. But energy doesn’t always work on our timelines—it’s about setting intentions and then letting the energy flow. The experiment is about showing people that when they focus on an outcome, they’re essentially sending out a vibration or frequency that interacts with the energy around them. Over time, those thoughts and intentions start to shape the reality they experience. It’s about seeing ourselves as active participants in the creation of our lives, not just passive observers.

Albert Einstein: I agree, Pam. Just as energy transforms and moves through the universe, so do our thoughts. We may not fully understand how this process works yet, but it’s clear that our thoughts are more powerful than we give them credit for.

Nikola Tesla: Indeed. The future of understanding the universe will depend not just on physical experiments but on understanding the energy of thought itself. It’s the key to unlocking many mysteries.

The Abracadabra Principle

Nick Sasaki: Now let’s dive into The Abracadabra Principle, where Pam introduces the idea that our words and thoughts are like magic spells, creating reality. This experiment challenges participants to set a clear intention for something they want to manifest, and then observe how the universe delivers it. Pam, can you explain the magic behind this principle and how it works?

Pam Grout: Absolutely, Nick. The Abracadabra Principle is all about realizing the immense creative power of our words and thoughts. “Abracadabra” actually means “I create as I speak.” The premise is that the universe is listening to what we say and think, and it’s constantly working to bring those things into existence. In this experiment, I ask people to clearly state what they want to manifest—whether it’s something simple like a free cup of coffee or something bigger like a new job. By putting that intention out there, you’re essentially casting a spell. It’s about being specific and confident in what you ask for, and then watching the magic happen.

Nick Sasaki: Rhonda, you’ve written extensively about manifestation in The Secret. How does the Abracadabra Principle align with your understanding of the law of attraction?

Rhonda Byrne: Pam’s principle fits perfectly with what I talk about in The Secret. The law of attraction teaches that what you focus on, with intention and belief, you will attract into your life. The Abracadabra Principle adds another layer by emphasizing the power of words. When you speak or think something with clarity and intention, you’re aligning your energy with the universe. The key here, just like in The Secret, is not just thinking about what you want, but truly believing it’s already on its way. That certainty is what pulls your desires toward you.

Nick Sasaki: Louise, you’ve always spoken about the power of affirmations. How do affirmations play a role in this principle?

Louise Hay: Affirmations are essentially daily spells we cast upon ourselves and our lives. The Abracadabra Principle is a beautiful example of how intentional speech can create reality. When we say something like “I am abundant,” we are not only sending a message to the universe but also to our subconscious mind. Words have immense energy, and when spoken with belief and intention, they create a pathway for that reality to manifest. The key is consistency and emotion—affirmations work when we truly feel them and repeat them regularly. The more you affirm something, the stronger the vibration you send out.

Nick Sasaki: So, Pam, it’s not just about stating a wish but speaking it with belief and clarity?

Pam Grout: Exactly, Nick. It’s about feeling the power of your words and truly believing that what you’ve asked for is already on its way. This experiment is designed to show people that they’re not just passive in their lives—they’re creators. Every word, every thought is a command to the universe. And when you combine clear intentions with the feeling of already having what you want, that’s when the magic happens. It may not appear instantly, but the universe will respond. People just need to trust the process and keep their eyes open for the signs.

Rhonda Byrne: That’s so true, Pam. Often people give up too soon or start doubting when they don’t see immediate results. But the universe works on its own timeline. The more trust and faith you have in the process, the quicker and more effortlessly things begin to manifest.

Nick Sasaki: It sounds like a key takeaway here is that we should be mindful of our words and thoughts, as they have a real impact on shaping our reality. This principle is about consciously using that power to create the life we want, right?

Pam Grout: Exactly, Nick. Every word and thought is an opportunity to co-create with the universe. When we realize that, life becomes a lot more magical.

The Dear Abby Principle

Nick Sasaki: Our next topic is The Dear Abby Principle, which focuses on the idea that the universe is always available to give us guidance, much like an advice columnist. Pam, this experiment asks participants to pose a question to the universe and then pay attention to how the answer shows up—whether it’s through signs, feelings, or encounters. Could you explain how this principle works and what people can expect from it?

Pam Grout: Sure, Nick! The Dear Abby Principle is all about realizing that the universe is your personal guide and adviser. In the same way people write to advice columnists seeking clarity, we can ask the universe for help or answers to any problem we’re facing. The universe is always listening, and it’s constantly sending us messages. However, we’re often too caught up in our daily lives to notice. This experiment is designed to help people tap into that universal wisdom. You ask a question—something you genuinely need guidance on—and then you let go, trusting that the universe will provide an answer in some form. It might show up as a conversation you overhear, a book that falls off a shelf, or even a gut feeling that leads you in the right direction.

Nick Sasaki: That’s really intriguing. Wayne, in your work, you’ve talked about how intuition and higher guidance play a key role in decision-making. How does this principle connect to your understanding of intuition?

Wayne Dyer: The Dear Abby Principle is closely aligned with the idea that we are all connected to a higher intelligence that’s always ready to offer guidance. I often tell people that intuition is the voice of the soul, and it speaks quietly, but it’s always there. When you ask the universe a question, you’re essentially opening yourself up to that higher guidance. The universe responds through signs, coincidences, or intuitive nudges. The key is to be present and open enough to recognize those answers when they come. Sometimes the answer will be subtle, and other times it will be so obvious that you can’t miss it.

Nick Sasaki: That makes a lot of sense. Dear Abby, as someone who spent years offering advice to others, how do you feel about the idea of the universe playing the role of an advice columnist?

Dear Abby (Pauline Phillips): Well, Nick, it’s funny because people often wrote to me when they felt stuck or uncertain, hoping that someone with more perspective could offer clarity. What Pam is suggesting is that the universe itself is like a wise friend or mentor, always ready to offer advice—if we’re willing to ask and pay attention. The key, just like in my column, is that you need to trust the advice you receive. Whether it’s from me or from the universe, you have to believe that the answer is coming from a place of greater understanding and love.

Nick Sasaki: Pam, what can people do to make sure they’re tuned in to these answers and signs? Are there specific practices that can help?

Pam Grout: Yes, Nick. The most important thing is to be present and open. You have to trust that the answer will come, but also be aware of the ways in which it might show up. Often, people are so focused on expecting the answer to come in a specific form that they miss it entirely when it arrives in another way. Meditation, journaling, or even just taking a walk can help you tune into the subtle ways the universe communicates. This experiment teaches people to be receptive—to ask, let go, and then stay alert for the universe’s response, which often comes in unexpected ways.

Wayne Dyer: That’s so important, Pam. People need to trust that the answer is already out there, waiting to be discovered. The more open you are, the more easily you’ll recognize when the universe is pointing you in the right direction.

Nick Sasaki: It sounds like this principle is about cultivating a relationship with the universe, much like you would with a mentor or adviser, and trusting that the guidance is always there when you need it.

Pam Grout: Exactly. The universe is like the ultimate “Dear Abby,” always ready to help. All you have to do is ask and trust the process.

The Superhero Principle

Nick Sasaki: Now let’s explore The Superhero Principle, which focuses on the idea that our thoughts can influence physical matter. Pam, this experiment asks participants to see how their energy and thoughts can affect things around them, just like a superhero. Can you tell us more about how this principle works and what the experiment is designed to show?

Pam Grout: Of course, Nick! The Superhero Principle is really fun because it taps into the idea that we all have extraordinary abilities—just like superheroes—through the power of our minds. This experiment asks you to focus your thoughts and energy on a specific object or outcome and see how it changes. It’s designed to show that we have much more control over our physical reality than we might think. For example, you might try moving a small object with your mind, influencing someone’s mood from afar, or simply seeing how your focused attention alters a situation. It’s about recognizing that thoughts are energy, and that energy can influence the physical world around us.

Nick Sasaki: That’s fascinating. Bruce, as a superhero, you’re often associated with the idea of human potential. How do you see the concept of using thoughts as a kind of superpower in real life?

Bruce Wayne (Batman): Well, Nick, I’ve always believed that human potential is limitless. While I might not have supernatural powers, my success as Batman has come from intense focus, discipline, and training. In a way, what Pam is describing is similar. It’s about channeling your mental and emotional energy to achieve extraordinary things. While I’ve used technology and physical skills to fight crime, the mind is always the most powerful tool. When you believe you can accomplish something and focus all your energy on it, that belief turns into reality. That’s what makes someone a superhero—not just physical strength, but the power of the mind.

Nick Sasaki: Clark, you have a different kind of superpower—actual physical strength. How would you relate Pam’s principle to your experiences?

Clark Kent (Superman): Well, Nick, even though I have physical abilities, I’ve always believed that what really makes a hero is their mindset. Pam’s experiment reminds us that we all have the power to influence our surroundings, even if we don’t have superhuman strength. Whether it’s lifting a car or changing someone’s life with a kind word, it’s our belief in what we can do that makes the difference. In a way, everyone can be like Superman, using their thoughts to create positive change in the world. The Superhero Principle shows that our mental energy is just as important as any physical power.

Nick Sasaki: Pam, it sounds like this experiment isn’t just about seeing if we can move objects with our minds, but also about realizing the power of belief and intention. How can participants make the most of this experiment?

Pam Grout: Exactly, Nick. It’s less about whether you can move something with your mind and more about understanding how your thoughts and energy influence the world around you. The experiment encourages people to test their mental powers in small ways, like seeing how their mood or intention affects the people or events around them. It’s about realizing that our thoughts are constantly interacting with the physical world. We might not be able to fly or have super strength, but we can influence outcomes and change situations with the power of focused thought and belief. The real superpower is knowing that you have this ability all the time.

Bruce Wayne (Batman): It’s a good reminder that we all have power, whether we’re in a cape or not. What you focus on grows, and when you put your mind to something—anything—you can achieve it, whether that’s in business, relationships, or personal goals.

Nick Sasaki: So the Superhero Principle teaches us that our thoughts have real, tangible effects on the world around us. It’s about stepping into that power and using it consciously.

Pam Grout: Exactly. The more people understand this, the more they realize they have the ability to shape their reality. It’s like unlocking your inner superhero and recognizing that you already have the tools you need—you just need to use them.

The Jenny Craig Principle

Nick Sasaki: Now, let’s explore The Jenny Craig Principle, which focuses on how our thoughts can shape our physical health and well-being. This experiment asks participants to focus on a specific health goal and use the power of thought and intention to see changes in their physical body. Pam, can you explain how this principle works and how people can apply it in their daily lives?

Pam Grout: Absolutely, Nick. The Jenny Craig Principle is all about understanding the connection between mind and body. Most people think of health in purely physical terms—diet, exercise, etc.—but what we often overlook is the power our thoughts and beliefs have over our bodies. In this experiment, I ask participants to focus their thoughts on a specific health goal. It could be something like losing weight, improving fitness, or even feeling more energetic. The idea is that when you direct your thoughts toward a positive outcome, you’re sending energy to your body that helps it align with that goal. It’s like giving your body the blueprint for what you want it to become.

Nick Sasaki: That’s an interesting way to think about health. Jenny, you’ve helped millions of people achieve their health and weight-loss goals through your program. How does Pam’s principle resonate with your approach to health?

Jenny Craig: Well, Nick, what Pam is saying aligns beautifully with what we teach in the Jenny Craig program. While we focus a lot on food choices and exercise, we also emphasize the importance of mindset. I’ve seen firsthand how people’s attitudes and beliefs about themselves can make or break their success. If someone truly believes they can achieve their goal, they’re more likely to stick with it and make the necessary changes. Pam’s principle takes this a step further by suggesting that our thoughts can actually influence our physical bodies, and I think that’s a powerful idea. It’s not just about following a diet; it’s about believing that you have the ability to transform yourself.

Nick Sasaki: Dr. Joe, you’ve done a lot of work on the mind-body connection. How do you see this principle fitting into the larger picture of how thoughts affect physical health?

Dr. Joe Dispenza: This principle is spot on, Nick. What Pam is describing is the same thing I’ve been researching for years—the idea that our thoughts and emotions can literally change our biology. Our brains are constantly sending signals to our bodies, and those signals can either promote health or disease, depending on what we’re thinking. When you focus on a health goal with clear intention, you’re essentially rewiring your brain to support that outcome. The body responds by aligning itself with the new thoughts you’re feeding it. Studies have shown that positive thoughts can boost the immune system, reduce inflammation, and even alter gene expression. The Jenny Craig Principle is a perfect example of how powerful the mind-body connection really is.

Nick Sasaki: Pam, it sounds like this experiment is about more than just thinking positively—it’s about consciously directing your thoughts to bring about real, physical changes. How can participants use this principle in a practical way?

Pam Grout: Exactly, Nick. It’s about more than just thinking, "I want to be healthier." It’s about setting a clear intention and then holding that vision in your mind every day. If you’re trying to lose weight, for example, instead of focusing on what you don’t like about your body, you focus on how you want to feel—lighter, healthier, more energetic. You visualize that outcome as if it’s already happening. You can also use affirmations like, “My body is strong and healthy,” or “I am reaching my perfect weight.” When you consistently feed your mind these positive thoughts, your body starts to respond by aligning with that intention. It’s like giving your body instructions to follow.

Nick Sasaki: Jenny, do you find that the people who succeed in your program are the ones who have that mental clarity and belief in their own success?

Jenny Craig: Absolutely. The people who believe they can succeed are the ones who do. They’re the ones who stick with the program, who stay motivated, and who see the results. That’s why we also focus on the mental and emotional aspects of weight loss in our program. It’s not just about food and exercise; it’s about believing that you can make the changes you want to see.

Nick Sasaki: So, Pam, the takeaway here is that the mind-body connection is incredibly powerful, and by using our thoughts, we can actually create the physical health we desire?

Pam Grout: Exactly. Your thoughts are the most powerful tool you have. By focusing on health, vitality, and positive outcomes, you can literally reshape your body and your experience of health. It’s about recognizing that you have the power to influence your body with every thought you think.

The 101 Dalmatians Principle

Nick Sasaki: Next up is The 101 Dalmatians Principle, which focuses on the idea of interconnectedness. This experiment challenges participants to see how their energy can influence others, even from a distance, by recognizing that we are all connected in one universal energy field. Pam, can you break down this principle for us and explain how it works in practice?

Pam Grout: Of course, Nick. The 101 Dalmatians Principle is based on the idea that we’re all part of a single, connected energy field. Just like how in the movie 101 Dalmatians, all the dogs seem to communicate telepathically across long distances, this principle suggests that our thoughts and energy can influence others, no matter how far apart we are. The experiment encourages people to test this by sending positive intentions or thoughts to someone they care about and then observing how that person reacts, even without direct contact. It’s about proving that we are all energetically linked, and what we do in our own minds affects the collective energy around us.

Nick Sasaki: Rupert, you’ve studied the concept of morphic fields and collective consciousness. How does the 101 Dalmatians Principle fit into your understanding of how everything is interconnected?

Rupert Sheldrake: This principle aligns closely with my research on morphic resonance, which suggests that once something is learned or experienced by one part of a group, it can influence the whole group. It’s as if a field of information is shared by all members of the species. What Pam is describing here is a similar idea—that our thoughts and energy aren’t confined to our physical bodies. They ripple out into the collective consciousness, affecting others. When you send a thought or intention to someone, you’re tapping into this interconnected field, and it’s possible for them to receive it, even if they’re miles away. We may not fully understand how this works, but the evidence is there that we are all deeply connected.

Nick Sasaki: Carl, your work on collective unconscious and archetypes seems to echo this idea of a shared energy or consciousness. How would you relate this principle to your theories?

Carl Jung: Pam’s principle resonates with the concept of the collective unconscious, which I believe is a reservoir of shared memories, symbols, and experiences that all humans tap into. This collective unconscious binds us together beyond time and space. When you send a thought or intention to someone, you’re accessing this deeper layer of connection. The way our thoughts and emotions influence others from afar is very real, even if we don’t fully comprehend the mechanics behind it. The idea of synchronicity also ties into this—meaningful coincidences that seem to happen when we are energetically aligned with others. These are all examples of how deeply connected we truly are.

Nick Sasaki: Pam, what kind of results do people typically see when they try this experiment? How do they know if they’ve truly influenced someone else’s energy?

Pam Grout: It’s amazing, Nick. People report all kinds of synchronicities—like receiving a phone call from the person they were thinking about, or hearing that the person felt happier or more positive around the same time they were sending out loving intentions. The key is to be open and observant. Often, the results come in unexpected ways. The experiment isn’t just about influencing someone else’s mood; it’s about recognizing that we’re all energetically linked and that what we send out into the world comes back to us. Whether it’s through thoughts, actions, or intentions, we’re always affecting others in some way.

Nick Sasaki: So, the takeaway here is that we’re all part of this invisible web of energy, and what we do with our own thoughts can influence not just ourselves but the people around us—and even those far away?

Pam Grout: Exactly. The more we realize that we’re all connected, the more responsibility we take for the energy we put out into the world. When you focus on sending love, positivity, and good intentions, it doesn’t just help others—it comes back to you as well. The 101 Dalmatians Principle is about understanding that we are all co-creators in this energetic field, and by lifting others up, we’re lifting ourselves up too. It’s an incredibly empowering realization.

The Fish and Loaves Principle

Nick Sasaki: Finally, we have The Fish and Loaves Principle, which focuses on abundance. This experiment encourages participants to shift from a mindset of scarcity to one of abundance, much like the biblical story of Jesus multiplying the fish and loaves to feed the masses. Pam, could you explain how this principle works and what people can expect from it?

Pam Grout: Absolutely, Nick. The Fish and Loaves Principle is about realizing that the universe operates from a place of infinite abundance. So often, we get stuck in a mindset of lack—thinking there’s never enough money, time, or resources to go around. This experiment asks people to change that mindset and to focus instead on the idea that there is always more than enough. Just like in the story where a few fish and loaves fed thousands, we too can "multiply" what we have by recognizing and appreciating the abundance that already exists. It’s about changing the lens through which we view our lives, shifting from “I don’t have enough” to “I have plenty, and more is on the way.”

Nick Sasaki: Brene, you’ve written about the power of vulnerability and gratitude. How does this principle align with cultivating a mindset of abundance in our daily lives?

Brene Brown: Pam’s principle ties in beautifully with the concept of gratitude. When we focus on what we’re grateful for, we naturally start to see abundance everywhere. Scarcity often stems from fear—the fear of not being enough or not having enough. But when we shift into gratitude, we’re choosing to see and acknowledge the fullness of our lives, even in small things. The Fish and Loaves Principle is a powerful reminder that abundance starts with our mindset. When we stop focusing on lack and start appreciating what we do have, that abundance multiplies. It’s a practice of allowing ourselves to be open to receiving, rather than staying stuck in fear and scarcity.

Nick Sasaki: Esther, the teachings of Abraham are all about the law of attraction. How does the Fish and Loaves Principle fit into this idea of manifesting abundance?

Esther Hicks (Abraham): The Fish and Loaves Principle perfectly aligns with what we teach in the law of attraction. When you focus on lack, that’s the vibration you’re sending out to the universe, and as a result, you attract more lack. But when you focus on abundance—when you look around and see the blessings already present in your life—you are vibrating at the frequency of abundance, and the universe responds by bringing you more of it. The universe doesn’t distinguish between big or small; it simply responds to the vibration you’re emitting. The more you align yourself with the feeling of abundance, the more you allow abundance to flow into your life. It’s about letting go of the belief in limitation and trusting that there is always more than enough for everyone.

Nick Sasaki: Pam, what kinds of changes do people typically notice when they apply this principle in their lives?

Pam Grout: The results can be incredible, Nick. People often report unexpected financial windfalls, opportunities they didn’t see before, or even just a greater sense of peace and security. What’s really happening is that when people shift their mindset from scarcity to abundance, they start noticing all the ways the universe is supporting them. They see things they didn’t before because they were too focused on lack. And the more they recognize the abundance around them, the more they open themselves up to receiving even more. It’s a positive feedback loop—the more you focus on abundance, the more you attract it. The experiment is designed to show that abundance is always available to us; we just have to be willing to see it.

Nick Sasaki: So the key is in making that mental shift from “there’s not enough” to “there’s more than enough,” and trusting that the universe will provide?

Pam Grout: Exactly. It’s about trusting that the universe is always working in our favor and that there’s an infinite supply of whatever we need—whether it’s love, money, or opportunities. The Fish and Loaves Principle is a reminder that abundance isn’t something we have to chase; it’s already here, waiting for us to recognize it. When we start to see the world through a lens of abundance, we invite more of it into our lives. The universe is generous, and the more we trust in that, the more we experience it firsthand.

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