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Antonio Guterres:
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to this unique and imaginary conversation—a fictional yet thought-provoking exploration of diplomacy and leadership. Today, I have the honor of moderating a dialogue between three of the most consequential leaders of our time: President Donald Trump, newly elected in 2025; President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine; and President Vladimir Putin of Russia.
This fictional roundtable is not bound by the constraints of reality, but it aims to imagine the possibilities—how differing perspectives might converge or clash in the pursuit of peace and global stability.
Our goal today is not to decide who is right or wrong but to explore how leaders navigate immense challenges, engage in meaningful dialogue, and work toward solutions that could shape history.
Together, let’s imagine what could be achieved if such a meeting were to take place.
Let’s begin!
Pathways to Peace and Security Guarantees
Antonio Banderas (Moderator):
“Gentlemen, welcome. As we begin, let us focus on what many see as the heart of this conversation: pathways to peace. The question before us is not just how to end the conflict but how to create a framework where such conflict cannot reignite. Mr. President Trump, you’ve been vocal about your ability to broker deals. What is your vision for sustainable peace in Ukraine and the broader region?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, great to be here. Look, we all know peace is a good deal for everyone involved. My approach would be clear and simple—neutralize the areas in question. No NATO membership yet for Ukraine but strong guarantees for their sovereignty. At the same time, Russia needs to feel secure. We can’t have a winner-take-all approach here. I’d bring both sides together, hammer out a deal that benefits everyone, and make sure the United States leads the way to enforce it.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, Mr. Trump emphasizes neutrality and compromise. Would Ukraine consider such an approach?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Antonio, thank you. Neutrality is not the solution for us. Ukraine must remain sovereign, and that includes NATO membership in the future. What we need is an immediate end to violence and robust guarantees—no more pieces of paper like the Budapest Memorandum. We demand accountability and protection. Neutrality may buy peace for a moment, but it doesn’t guarantee security in the long term.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, these discussions often highlight NATO as a threat to Russia’s security. How do you view NATO’s role in this situation, and do you see any path to easing those concerns?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Antonio, NATO is not a defensive alliance—it is an offensive bloc aimed at encircling Russia. For peace, Ukraine’s NATO ambitions must end. Furthermore, the sanctions on Russia must be lifted. Peace will only come if the West respects Russia’s sphere of influence. A neutral Ukraine, demilitarized and committed to peaceful relations, is the only viable solution.”
Antonio Banderas:
“This is a stalemate, then. Let me introduce a provocative idea: could a neutral mediator, perhaps a coalition of nations, oversee a phased disarmament of contested areas? Alongside that, could there be justice for the victims of this war, through international trials or reparations? President Zelensky, your thoughts?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Justice is essential. Without accountability, there can be no trust in any agreement. Ukraine would welcome international oversight, but only if it is balanced and does not erode our sovereignty. Reparations from Russia are necessary, not optional. The crimes committed during this war cannot go unanswered.”
Donald Trump:
“I agree with President Zelensky on one thing—accountability is crucial. But we can’t get stuck in endless legal battles. A deal means compromise. If we wait for perfect justice, we’ll have no peace. That’s why I’d focus on immediate guarantees—no more missiles, no more invasions, and a timeline for restoring normalcy.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Justice? This is a one-sided view of justice. Russia has suffered too—sanctions, international isolation, and economic harm. If there is to be accountability, it must include an acknowledgment of the West’s role in destabilizing the region. Justice cannot be a tool for political retribution.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Then perhaps the real question is: can peace be achieved without complete justice? And can justice be pursued without compromising peace? This tension lies at the heart of our discussion. Could we imagine a future where peace comes first, but justice follows in stages?”
Donald Trump:
“That’s how deals work, Antonio. You don’t solve everything at once. You build trust, layer by layer. I’d lead this effort with clear benchmarks and timelines. Justice can’t happen overnight, but peace needs to happen now.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Peace cannot come at the cost of our dignity. If justice is delayed too long, it becomes impossible. Ukrainians will not forget or forgive the atrocities. We need both peace and justice—together.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Russia is ready for peace, but it must be a peace that respects us as equals. This means acknowledging our security concerns and ending this unjust campaign against Russia’s interests.”
Antonio Banderas:
“It seems we’re at a crossroads, then. Gentlemen, your positions highlight the complexity of peace-building. Can we move forward by defining the first steps—perhaps a ceasefire, humanitarian corridors, or initial dialogues overseen by neutral mediators?”
Donald Trump:
“I could make that happen, Antonio. A strong leader needs to take charge and push both sides to act. That’s what I do best.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Ukraine is ready to act, but only if it leads to a just and lasting peace.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Russia will act if its conditions are met. But we will not accept humiliation or threats.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Then let us explore those conditions in greater depth. For now, we leave with questions unanswered but a shared acknowledgment: peace is worth pursuing. Thank you, gentlemen.”
Balancing National Sovereignty and Global Alliances
Antonio Banderas (Moderator):
“Gentlemen, as we delve into our second topic, the challenge becomes striking a balance: how can Ukraine assert its sovereignty while engaging with global powers without escalating tensions further? President Trump, with your recent election as U.S. President in 2025, what role do you see the United States playing in this balance?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, thank you. The United States has always been the strongest leader when it comes to world stability. What we need is smart alliances. I’m not a fan of endless wars or blank checks, but I do believe in strength. If Ukraine wants to remain sovereign, it has to be smart about who it partners with. I’d make sure Ukraine gets what it needs—but only if it’s in America’s interest, too.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, how do you view the role of alliances like NATO in maintaining Ukraine’s sovereignty without provoking larger powers such as Russia?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Antonio, alliances like NATO are not just about military strength—they are about values. Freedom, democracy, and the right of every nation to choose its path. Ukraine’s sovereignty depends on such alliances. Russia’s aggression proves that neutrality does not protect us. We need allies who stand with us, not against us.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, your perspective has often framed NATO as a direct threat to Russian security. Is there a middle ground where Ukraine’s alliances can coexist with Russian security concerns?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Antonio, NATO is not a defensive alliance; it is an instrument of expansion aimed at containing Russia. Ukraine aligning with NATO is unacceptable. If Ukraine wants peace, it must abandon such ambitions. Sovereignty cannot come at the expense of another nation’s security. This is the fundamental principle.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Allow me to interject. If alliances are inevitable, could there be frameworks where nations like Ukraine and Russia engage economically or diplomatically instead of militarily? Could partnerships replace hostilities?”
Donald Trump:
“That’s a great idea, Antonio. I believe in deals. Look at trade—economics can bring people together faster than politics. If I were in charge of NATO, I’d make sure it’s not just about defense but also about building trade partnerships that work for everyone, including Russia.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Economic partnerships are important, but they cannot replace security guarantees. Ukraine cannot engage with Russia economically while its soldiers invade our land. Security comes first—then we can talk about partnerships.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Russia is open to partnerships, but only if its interests are respected. NATO expansion is a direct threat to our borders. Without addressing this issue, economic partnerships mean little.”
Antonio Banderas:
“This brings us to a critical question: how do we redefine alliances in a way that respects sovereignty but avoids escalating power struggles? Could a new kind of alliance—focused on shared prosperity—address these tensions?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, that’s what I’ve been saying. We need a new vision for alliances—call it the Trump Alliance. It’s about security through strength, but also shared economic goals. Ukraine could be a key player in this, and I’d make sure Russia is involved in a way that doesn’t threaten anyone.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“While I respect the idea of economic cooperation, alliances like NATO are built on trust and shared values, not just economic interests. Ukraine cannot compromise its sovereignty or principles for the sake of appeasing aggression.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Trust is earned, not given. And NATO has done nothing to earn Russia’s trust. If alliances like NATO remain aimed at isolating us, there will be no balance—only more conflict.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Let me offer this thought: if NATO is viewed as a threat, could its mission be redefined to include Russia as a partner rather than a rival? Would such an idea hold any potential?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, you’re talking about something bold—maybe too bold. But I like bold ideas. If it means less conflict and more stability, I’d push for it. The key is making sure everyone feels they’re winning.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Partnership with Russia is impossible as long as it continues its aggression. For any partnership to work, Russia must respect international law and Ukraine’s sovereignty.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Partnership requires mutual respect. Russia will not compromise its security for the ambitions of NATO or the West. If Ukraine wants peace, it must take the first step by abandoning alliances that threaten us.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Perhaps the path forward lies in rethinking alliances altogether—not as exclusive clubs, but as inclusive frameworks that focus on mutual benefit and shared security. Gentlemen, are we ready to entertain such bold redefinitions?”
Donald Trump:
“With me as President, Antonio, anything is possible. I’d bring everyone together, reshape alliances, and make deals that work for everyone.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Ukraine will always fight for its right to choose its allies. Sovereignty cannot be compromised.”
Vladimir Putin:
“Russia will defend its interests at any cost. If the West wants peace, it must respect us as equals.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Then let us continue to explore these complexities. Thank you, gentlemen. For now, we move forward with the understanding that sovereignty and alliances are deeply intertwined—but not without hope for balance.”
Accountability and Reconciliation Post-Conflict
Antonio Banderas (Moderator):
“Gentlemen, as we move into our third topic, accountability and reconciliation after conflict, I’d like to start by acknowledging that wars leave deep wounds on nations and their people. Justice and healing must go hand in hand. President Zelensky, what mechanisms do you envision to ensure justice for war crimes while fostering the possibility of reconciliation with Russia?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Antonio, justice is not optional—it is essential. The atrocities committed during this war cannot go unpunished. International tribunals, reparations, and accountability for those responsible are necessary. At the same time, I believe reconciliation is possible, but only after justice is served. Without justice, there can be no true peace.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, you’ve often spoken of history and national pride. In light of this conflict, what role do you see for Russia in addressing the pain and loss caused, especially if accountability is demanded by the global community?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Antonio, this war is not as one-sided as it is portrayed. Russia has also suffered losses, and the sanctions imposed on us are punitive measures that harm our people. If reconciliation is to occur, it must be mutual. We cannot accept frameworks that place all blame on Russia while ignoring the West’s role in escalating tensions.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Trump, as the newly elected leader of the United States, how can America support both justice and reconciliation in this conflict?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, America is a land of law and order. Justice is important, but we also need to be smart about not letting it spiral into revenge. I’d work to bring both sides to the table. Let’s get everyone to agree on some fair terms for accountability. Maybe reparations, maybe tribunals—but not something that keeps the war going in people’s hearts. It’s about closure.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, you’ve spoken about reparations. How do you envision reparations playing a role in justice and rebuilding Ukraine?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Reparations are not just about money—they are about acknowledgment. Russia must take responsibility for the destruction it has caused. Reparations can fund the rebuilding of homes, schools, and hospitals while symbolizing a commitment to never repeat such actions. It’s not just rebuilding structures but also rebuilding trust.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, would Russia consider reparations as part of a broader reconciliation effort, or is this concept unacceptable from your perspective?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Reparations imply guilt, Antonio, and guilt is not one-sided. Russia has also suffered sanctions, economic isolation, and international condemnation. If reparations are to be discussed, then all parties involved in this conflict, including NATO and Ukraine, must also acknowledge their roles and contribute to the rebuilding process.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Trump, is there a way to frame reparations and accountability that avoids the pitfalls of assigning unilateral blame?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, we need to stop thinking in black-and-white. Call it something else if you need to—‘rebuilding partnerships,’ maybe. Russia contributes, Ukraine rebuilds, and the U.S. leads the effort to make sure it’s fair. No one likes the word ‘reparations,’ but everyone wants solutions. I can broker that deal, believe me.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Gentlemen, this brings us to reconciliation. President Zelensky, how do you see the possibility of restoring ties with Russia, not just between governments but between people?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“It is difficult, Antonio. So many families have lost loved ones. Trust has been shattered. But history shows that reconciliation is possible. It will take generations, education, and acknowledgment of the truth. Russia must admit its wrongs, and only then can we begin to rebuild the human connections that have been destroyed.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, do you believe reconciliation between Russians and Ukrainians is achievable? If so, what steps could Russia take to make it a reality?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Reconciliation requires respect. Russia and Ukraine share deep historical and cultural ties that cannot be erased. But these ties must be built on mutual respect, not dictated by the West. If Ukraine and its allies stop framing Russia as an eternal aggressor, reconciliation can begin.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Trump, as someone who values diplomacy, what role can the U.S. play in fostering reconciliation between Ukraine and Russia?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, reconciliation is about strong leadership. You need someone who both sides trust. I can bring people together—it’s what I do. The U.S. can offer support, create economic incentives, and make sure both sides stick to their commitments. But let’s be clear: it starts with ending the conflict.”
Antonio Banderas:
“This conversation highlights the challenges of seeking justice while paving the way for peace. It seems justice cannot come at the expense of reconciliation, nor can reconciliation ignore justice. Perhaps the path forward lies in finding a delicate balance. Thank you, gentlemen. Let’s take a moment before we move to our next topic: Economic Recovery and Collaboration.”
Economic Recovery and Collaboration
Antonio Banderas (Moderator):
“Gentlemen, as we shift our focus to economic recovery and collaboration, I’d like to start with a central question: How can the global community contribute to rebuilding Ukraine while fostering stability in the region? President Zelensky, let’s begin with you.”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Antonio, the rebuilding of Ukraine will require not just financial support but also partnerships. We need investments in infrastructure, technology, and energy. Our goal is not just to rebuild but to transform Ukraine into a modern, resilient, and digitally advanced nation. This is an opportunity for global businesses to contribute and benefit.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, economic collaboration often requires peace and trust. Do you see a path where Russia plays a role in rebuilding efforts, perhaps as part of a broader agreement?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Economic collaboration is possible if it is mutual. Russia has also suffered economically due to sanctions. If sanctions are lifted and fair agreements are reached, Russia can contribute resources and expertise to ensure regional stability. But this must be done without external interference or imposition.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Trump, the United States has historically played a significant role in post-conflict reconstruction. As the newly elected president, how do you envision America’s involvement in rebuilding Ukraine?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, rebuilding Ukraine is a win-win for everyone, especially for America. U.S. companies can lead the way in infrastructure, energy, and technology. We can create jobs for Ukrainians and Americans while securing the region’s stability. But I’ll also say this: we need transparency. Every dollar spent should be accounted for, and we’ll make sure it goes to the right places.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, you’ve mentioned leveraging Ukraine’s digital innovation as part of the recovery process. How can this be integrated into rebuilding efforts?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Our digital platform, Diia, has proven its value during the war by streamlining government services and reducing corruption. We can expand this model to rebuild faster and more efficiently. Imagine a system where every investment, every project, is tracked and transparent. It’s a model we can offer not only to Ukraine but also to other nations looking to modernize.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, President Zelensky has spoken about digital innovation and transparency. Do you see areas where Russia could collaborate on such initiatives, or does this remain a point of contention?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Digital innovation is important, but it must respect sovereignty. Collaboration can only happen if it serves the interests of both nations without undermining cultural or political values. Russia has its own advancements in technology, and we are open to partnerships that are mutually beneficial.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Trump, there’s been discussion about redirecting frozen Russian assets to fund Ukraine’s reconstruction. What are your thoughts on this?”
Donald Trump:
“Well, Antonio, it’s a complex issue. On one hand, using those funds makes sense—they’re just sitting there. But on the other hand, you have to be careful. If we use Russian assets without a proper agreement, it could backfire. I’d say let’s use them, but only as part of a bigger deal that ensures everyone buys in, including Russia.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, would you accept conditions on the use of frozen Russian assets, such as shared decision-making with other nations?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“We must remember that these assets are not gifts—they are compensation for the destruction caused by Russia. That said, I am open to frameworks that involve oversight, provided they do not delay urgent rebuilding efforts.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, if these assets are used, what would Russia demand in return, if anything?”
Vladimir Putin:
“If such funds are to be used, it must be done with mutual respect and without portraying Russia as the sole aggressor. Any agreement must include guarantees that these funds are used solely for reconstruction and not for military purposes.”
Antonio Banderas:
“This brings us to a broader question of global collaboration. President Trump, how can nations like the U.S., EU, and even Russia work together to ensure Ukraine’s recovery while preventing further conflict?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, it’s about making deals that benefit everyone. The U.S. leads the rebuilding, Europe supports it, and Russia contributes under clear conditions. Everyone wins—Ukraine gets rebuilt, the region stabilizes, and the global economy grows. But you need strong leadership to pull this off, and that’s where I come in.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, how do you see the role of other nations in Ukraine’s recovery?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“This is not just about Ukraine. Rebuilding our nation is a global effort that sends a message: aggression will not be rewarded, and the world will stand together to rebuild what is broken. We welcome investments and collaboration from any nation that shares this vision.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, final thoughts on collaboration and economic recovery?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Economic recovery is possible if all parties respect each other’s sovereignty and interests. Russia is open to discussions, but these must be balanced and fair, not dictated.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Gentlemen, economic recovery is not just about rebuilding structures—it’s about rebuilding trust and creating opportunities for all. Thank you for your thoughts. Let’s take a moment before moving to our final topic: Redefining Power Dynamics in a Multipolar World.”
Redefining Power Dynamics in a Multipolar World
Antonio Banderas (Moderator):
“Gentlemen, as we close this fascinating discussion, I invite you to think about the bigger picture: the world is moving toward a multipolar order. How can the dynamics between nations like the U.S., Russia, Ukraine, and others be redefined to foster peace, stability, and progress? President Trump, as the newly elected leader of a global superpower, let’s start with you.”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, the world is changing fast, and if you’re not ahead of the curve, you’re behind. The U.S. has always been a leader, and we’ll continue to lead, but leadership doesn’t mean doing everything alone. It’s about making deals, strong deals, that benefit everyone. A multipolar world is fine, but it has to be fair. Countries like China, Russia, and even the EU have to play by the rules—rules we all agree on.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, from Russia’s perspective, how do you see the shift to a multipolar world, and what role should Russia play?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Antonio, the concept of a multipolar world is not new; it is a necessity. The unipolar dominance of the past has led to imbalances and conflicts. Russia supports a system where every nation, big or small, has a voice. But for this to happen, there must be mutual respect. No country should dictate to another how to govern or what alliances to form. Russia’s role is to protect its interests while fostering cooperation with those willing to engage on equal terms.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, Ukraine has been at the center of this geopolitical shift. How can Ukraine navigate its role in a multipolar world?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Antonio, Ukraine’s role is to stand as a testament to resilience and the value of sovereignty. We are not just a pawn in this global game; we are a nation with rights and aspirations. In a multipolar world, we can be a bridge—a nation that connects East and West, fostering trade, innovation, and security. But this is only possible if the rules of the game are fair and aggression is not tolerated.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Trump, you mentioned fairness in a multipolar world. How can the U.S. work with powers like Russia and China while maintaining its leadership?”
Donald Trump:
“It’s about strength and respect, Antonio. If America is strong—and it will be under my leadership—then we can sit at the table with anyone, even Russia and China, and make deals. But we have to be clear: no country gets a free pass. If Russia wants to collaborate, great. If China wants to trade, fantastic. But everything has to benefit America, too. That’s how you keep peace—through strength and fairness.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, President Trump speaks of strength and fairness. Do you see room for collaboration with the U.S. under these terms?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Strength without wisdom leads to conflict, Antonio. Collaboration is always possible if it is based on mutual respect and recognition of each other’s sovereignty. The U.S. must realize that other nations, including Russia, have legitimate interests. If these are acknowledged, collaboration is not only possible but inevitable.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, what would a collaborative framework between Ukraine, the U.S., and Russia look like in your view?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Antonio, any framework must prioritize justice and security. Ukraine’s sovereignty must never be in question. Collaboration can happen when aggressors are held accountable and when there are guarantees that peace will be maintained. Beyond that, trade, innovation, and joint initiatives can create a foundation for long-term stability.”
Antonio Banderas:
“One of the key challenges of a multipolar world is preventing power struggles from escalating into conflict. President Trump, how can global powers manage these tensions?”
Donald Trump:
“Antonio, it’s about negotiation. You don’t let tensions build. You meet, you talk, you negotiate. That’s how you make deals. And if you’re strong, others respect you. We’ll make sure America’s interests are protected, but we’ll also work to keep the peace. It’s a balancing act, but I’m the right guy for it.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin, do you agree that dialogue and negotiation are the keys to managing tensions?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Dialogue is essential, but it must be genuine. If one side approaches the table with ultimatums, it is not dialogue. Managing tensions requires understanding the root causes and addressing them. This includes respecting the cultural and historical context of each nation.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky, as a nation directly impacted by these tensions, what lessons can Ukraine offer the world in managing conflicts?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Our lesson is simple: strength and values must go hand in hand. We have shown that even when under attack, a nation can stand firm on its principles. The world must prioritize not just peace but also justice. Only then can we prevent history from repeating itself.”
Antonio Banderas:
“To conclude, gentlemen, let me ask each of you for one key principle that should guide global relations in a multipolar world. President Trump?”
Donald Trump:
“Strength and fairness. If you’re strong and you play fair, the world respects you.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Putin?”
Vladimir Putin:
“Respect and balance. Without respect for each nation’s sovereignty, balance cannot be achieved.”
Antonio Banderas:
“President Zelensky?”
Volodymyr Zelensky:
“Justice and cooperation. Without justice, there can be no trust, and without trust, there can be no cooperation.”
Antonio Banderas:
“Thank you, gentlemen, for your insights. This concludes our series of discussions. While differences remain, today’s dialogue shows that even in the most challenging times, conversations can illuminate paths toward a better future. Thank you.”
Short Bios:
Donald Trump: Former 45th and newly elected 47th President of the United States (2025), known for his direct leadership style and emphasis on "America First" policies.
Vladimir Putin: Longstanding President of Russia, a central figure in global geopolitics, often defined by his assertive strategies and focus on expanding Russian influence.
Volodymyr Zelenskyy: President of Ukraine, a former comedian turned wartime leader, globally admired for his resilience and advocacy for Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Antonio Guterres: Secretary-General of the United Nations, a veteran diplomat committed to fostering global cooperation and peace through dialogue and negotiation.
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